Cosmoteer 0.14.1

SpaceCat

nop ... 14.* is a version where many new parts/weapons/systems will surface.

Tractor Beam will most likely get you:

nop "you can't get near my quad railgun barge if you charge straight in with one ship"

probably.

So new stuff will balance out many things.
At the same time imagine the balancing discussions once the version number has reached 14.9.

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Dalas120

nop I don't think that railgun-heavy ships need to be much stronger against single enemies - that's already their strength. Maybe a little more accessible (cost, exponent, etc.), but not significantly stronger.

IMO buffs should focus on helping small- to mid-size railguns function as support weapons or artillery for multiple-weapon ships. The fire change would help with this, because it buffs small railguns noticeably while being nearly unnoticeable on large railguns. Knockback increase also helps make railguns function better as a support weapon, as would a projectile speed increase.

Mc2

Walt Back to this

I certainly agree that the RoD in LPS is really awkwardly small. But even at the currently really-small size, players still wait a few minutes for the RoD to shrink even smaller before engaging, as we saw today in the tournament.

Maybe think why people wait before engaging a battle in FFA (except waiting for fully loaded ship), because this is not happening in teams.
I personally move in FFA very carefully, because of: huge disadvantage to players who move first
Huge disadvantage to players who engage battle first.

so,

I think the real solution requires completely rethinking how free-for-all should work.Probably something that awards points for killing enemy ships, although there's a lot of details that need to be figure out about how exactly points would be credited to players.

Why killing enemy ships, pout in middle target and who destroy target first, is winner.
And you can make even more FFA games with targets, like, ships starts in line and target move slowly away and who chase and kill it first is winner, and so on.
Than, RoD is not needed, just time limit, and even target could be a winner if limit is of 😃

SpaceCat

btw - Medium sized railgun can sometimes take out a ~200K vessel in one shot ... so underpowered?

nop

Walt I certainly agree that the RoD in LPS is really awkwardly small. But even at the currently really-small size, players still wait a few minutes for the RoD to shrink even smaller before engaging, as we saw today in the tournament. If I make it bigger, players will just wait longer for it to shrink back down, and so making it bigger won't actually solve the problem at hand and will just make the beginning of LPS battles even more boring.

Waiting before engaging wasn't the best strategy in those games where it happened. You really can't force people to act, unless you spawn their ships right at the edge of the ring. The incentive isn't obvious enough.

Kroom

Walt can you give an example of PartTriggeredToggle?

Walt

Kroom can you give an example of PartTriggeredToggle?

MyTriggeredToggle
{
    Type = TriggeredToggle
    OnTrigger = MyOnTrigger // The trigger that turns this component on. Optional.
    OffTrigger = MyOffTrigger // The trigger that turns this component off. Optional.
    StartsOn = false // Optional
}

Kroom

Thank you! 😃

Equalizer

Small railguns are very weak while large rail guns become reasonably effective in large & expensive ships.

Suggestion: Make the railgun launcher and loader much cheaper (~3k) but keep the accelerator at the current price.

Mc2

Equalizer Do not Agree, Rail gun should be kind of bigger or huge ships weapon, making them very cheap for swarm make no sense. Except for people who use rail gun on swarm ships.

Equalizer

Mc2 Isn't the goal to increase the possible use cases of each weapon?

What is the point of having the ability to build small rail guns if they are dramatically more expensive while also having much worse damage output characteristics than a large cannon?

Mc2

Equalizer for me is goal to have different strategies, with different ships sizes and ship roles. So I´m fine with extremely powerful rail gun on big ship, but hardly can accept it on 100K fighter.
IMHO is nonsense to make every weapons usable for every size of ships. So if you want to have small ship, than forget strong cheap rail gun for example.

Maybe, picture if the best example (I make it in hurry so apologize horrible quality) :

image https://i.imgur.com/Edto3UR.png

So, obviously, not everything is possible to match together 😃 Every technology has its size limit and cannot be put on everything.

Equalizer

Mc2 Well this is sci-fi where we have unrealistic power supplies and unreasonably strong materials.

Gauss rifles are pretty common in sci-fi and the same technology would enable hand-held rail guns.

SpaceCat

Stuck again!

Ships overlapping and no chance to untangle - happens quite often in this release.
(Had to self destruct one of them to get at least one moving.)
Especially high velocity ships are prone to this.

image https://i.imgur.com/zEjNDoy.png

Mc2

SpaceCat corect,very common :S

Mc2

Equalizer But we have sci fi materials which are strong agains small railguns, espacially armour, so no small efective rail gun. Hand held railgun is good, but completelly inefective against armoured tanks. Do not want to have efective raigun on not equaly big ship.

Power suplly isok, even now can reactor supply one ship for many years, but where factory takes material for projectiles and rocket parts is realy mystery 😃

FRIES

I made a 1000 long railgun with 2 barrels it goes through 40 pieces ar armour

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About the Railguns, one thing quite bothers me is that the Railguns only use 75% of an ammo factory, which means that 25% of the factory were completely wasted. How about increase the fire rate of the short Railguns so the 25% of the factory can be actually useful, and decrease the fire rate of very long Railguns so one factory can be enough to supply two Railguns. That way the short Railguns can have the buff they desperately needed, and the long Railguns would be less likely to be overpower.

Another thing I noticed is that the Railgun seems to have too low HP. Two solid hits from the Large Cannon, and the entire thing blow up. They should have more HP with all that extra weight.

Mc2

samepage

That way the short Railguns can have the buff they desperately needed,

any buf for short RG make swarm like on screens to much OP:

image https://i.imgur.com/gh2zAyA.png

image https://i.imgur.com/lrIJHpm.png

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Mc2 Cool design, haven't ever consider the possibility of rail gun fighter. But after some test with my favorite flagship, picking up a fight with 25 such fighters. (around the same value) I would say that they were far from overpower. A few screen shots show how the rail gun fighter can do.

image https://i.imgur.com/87Xless.jpg

image https://i.imgur.com/B1bkJCz.jpg

image https://i.imgur.com/1bCh1rf.jpg
The above test was done using the hard AI for all ships, which is a little unfair to the fighter side since they had the tendency to bump into each other.

Mc2

samepage That is not my design 😃

Strenght of swarm is of course in humans hand, no human will wait in front till you kill it. Strengh is of course from flanking and killing your ship from back.
and of course, good designed antiswarm ship should beat swarm, but i see your design is extremly vulnerable to long rail ship, one sho and you nicely chainexpllode. in middle 😃