Tegs Big Modular Boxes Unbeatable Challenge!

Captain_Cranberry

Mc2 Teg and bugs op pls nerf 😃

Teg

Captain_Cranberry Some really weird results you got there... In my test missiles got taken out by PD, not sure whats going on.

Captain_Cranberry

Teg I don't really get it either. I'm testing with both ships right now and while both are stationary in 1x speed at about the range the AI engaged at (I disabled your missiles because I'm testing the PD's right now) and apart from 1 or 2 missiles from the initial salvo making it through no other missiles have.

I thought that maybe because my ship was kiting that might've made a difference so I recreated that as well but again none of my missiles seem to get close.

And then I decided to speed up the fight to x2 and guess what happens? All of a sudden out of nowhere my ship starts scoring regular missile hits on the front of your ship, random chain explosions and fires despite the fact that doing the same thing at normal speed yielded no results.

Edit: What's even weirder than that is that I tested it with pappion again and nothing wierd happened, no unexplained explosions or missile hits, just really slowly wittling it away.

Teg

Captain_Cranberry It slideshows for me at 2x but PD still seemed effective. It's a shame there seems to be be so much difference in the game between defferent hardware. FYI I was testing with battle helper in 12.12.

Captain_Cranberry

Teg Does my ship "behave" properly when you put it in your battle helper? because with my battle helper it makes my ship charge ass first straight into your death cube

Teg

Captain_Cranberry Ass first every time so far, I just rotate it. It would be nice if missiles weren't part of the direction calculation.

Captain_Cranberry

Teg But it doesn't do that outside battle helper, its like the AI is completely different

Mc2

As I wrote before, I already figuret out that large ships where lots of missiles are involved, can be played only in 1/4 speed, because game lets say estlimate result when it its not capable to cound all events, so in 1/4 when it have to count 100 missiles incomiung and all that PD shoots, id do it well, but when it have to count it in 1x speed, than the game consider that 10% of missiles must come through even despite enough PD to shoot them down are in game.

Another very big bug is, that in exact speed kiting ship has not working shields at all, eveything can pass trough like there are non, and it is even when shots/rockets have to pass trough multiple shields, they just simply do.

And last but not least, sometimes game dos not hanle batles corectly when you play multiple of them in one game, for better result is recomender to always start new game.

lord_drageon

thanks so, so much for those modules. they are amazing!

SpaceCat

I beat the black one and the unnamed one with the two "legs"
NOT wit Ai
BUT with manual control.

maybe meet in MP someday @Teg

Teg

SpaceCat I haven't had any luck getting MP to work yet, but I might try a reinstall soon. If I can get it to work I'd like to! What ship did you use to beat them?

SpaceCat

Teg The ship is called "iONbolt" it is in version 2.2
Tonnes: 1813
Souls: 348
Value: 1.9 mil

When it manages to keep itself in "iONbeam-range" it wins against most ships.
Has taken apart ambitious 3.5 mil ships.

image https://i.imgur.com/vpA6Mzy.jpg

(PS.:shipfile is under lock 😉 )

It can not take the "Big box two" because it has simply not enough Point defense (working on that).
I think an iONship combined with electrobolts can be even more powerful.

Fantaros

After many attempts, I finally beat Big Box Two!

I found this challenge watching some Youtube video, and saw that the Big Box Two looked a lot like a design I was working on. I had to test it out! Needless to say, my initial design failed miserably. I am brand new to Cosmoteer (less than a week playing), so my first designs were not very efficient.

Not wanting to rip off your design, I did take a few pointers on efficient room placement. With a straight-up cube design, there was no way I could win. So I got creative with "detachable" parts. My cube has 2 detachable "weapon walls". This nearly doubles my firepower and acts as an excellent diversion for your Box so that it exposes its soft missile edges.

I've run the Battle Helper a few times and I always win. See below for my designs and how I progressed:

Cube (before seeing Teg's ships)
Failed to win:
image https://i.imgur.com/3W29ML7.png

Cube² (refining design a bit to test against BigBox)
Failed to win:
image https://i.imgur.com/4mQgNLE.png

Cube³ (full redesign, incomplete, went through MANY iterations, still cannot match BigBox)
Failed to win:
image https://i.imgur.com/Z7c7n9q.png

Cube⁴ (another redesign, detachable walls, 4-wide beams for better power concentration)
Winner!
image https://i.imgur.com/6vafaAn.png

I am sure I can refine it more.

Mc2

Fantaros Unfortunatelly for players, AI from 0.13.0 - 0.13.1 behave very idiotic way :S So beat Big box mean you have to design something wit more armor and more cannons, and, you did 😃 😃 Well done.

Fantaros

I guess I should find a copy of 12 to see how ships used to act.

Nitramli

image https://i.imgur.com/ajCF5gY.jpg
I won the big bogs two!
I took plenty of screenshots but they were lost in space along the unbeatable ship.

image https://i.imgur.com/GchylsY.png

Fantaros

Nitramli
Nice ship. I was able to decimate BigBoxTwo with my build below. I was able to destroy yours too, but mainly because the AI decided to face your destroyed side towards me instead of rotating to the good side.

I am in the process of making some design upgrades. Maybe I'll make a Fantaros challenge thread later. 🙂

image https://i.imgur.com/QMHSox5.png

Mc2

Fantaros @Nitramli
Nice ships, id like to meet you once in MP, you have exactly designs of opponents I like 😃

In 1.12. when AI behave more smartly it was possible to build ship which behave smart enough to take big box with lesser resources, so, https://forum.cosmoteer.net/d/2393-cosmoteer-0-12-12
there is new way of challenge, beat it, with half of resources 😃

DeletedAccount

i know @Teg's been offline for a long time but still gave this challenge a shot cuz i was bored 😛
image https://i.imgur.com/LxY9Ahn.png

image https://i.imgur.com/hVJGeXf.png

image https://i.imgur.com/DHP1yIK.png

kieffer5101

DeletedAccount these ships were made a long tie ago, so they neither use teh new weapons/rooms nor are made to counter them...

DeletedAccount

kieffer5101 meh i was just bored and i already new that :/