Building Academy

Hatter

CryptoSpades I have no ships meant for broadsiding. Broadsiding is niche because all of the weapons can't focus fire at the same target, meaning a ship with the same number of weapons but focused can concentrate twice the firepower while the broadsider fights with half its total power.

Nice job on distributing the reactors, but I think you can move the factories closer if you try.

Well, I didn't have any broadsiders until I took yours and redid the interior.
Railguns are 90% useless and it still has not enough lateral thrust, but what'cha gonna do?

CryptoSpades

Hatter Im must say it looks pretty damn cool, i'll try it out.

YAreyaREdAzE

Astrum

You may want to improve thrust in general, utilizing engine pod designs for more speed and maneuverability.
What do you mean by this?

Astrum

YAreyaREdAzE

Refer to Oneye's ship guide: https://forum.cosmoteer.net/d/7783-cosmoteer-ultimate-ship-design-and-part-guide

Specifically:

"For maximum cost efficiency, you always want to have as many of your thrusters as possible connected to engine rooms. Each thruster directly adjacent will get both a 50% thrust force bonus, and a 50% power requirement increase. Essentially, for every thruster connected to an engine room, you get half a free thruster! Still need to power them, though. Engine rooms also have the ability to distribute power to adjacent thrusters, so doors to the thrusters are not a necessity." - Oneye

The example ships shown throughout the guide utilize engine pod style designs, with many engines grouped around engine rooms.

Hope this helps!

Weakpoint

My faction's first of five capital ships.
The Arrow head
(ps. I know it doesn't look like a arrow head. I'm thinking of renaming it any suggestions.)

Hatter

Weakpoint
Quoting myself from ten days ago:
Hatter

Given this is a thread based around the combat effectiveness of ships, modded ships are outside its scope. Mods occasionally are less-then-ideally balanced and often terribly balanced. Furthermore, modded competitive multiplayer isn't a thing and if you can successfully spawn in a 35 million ship in bounty hunter, you've already proven you no longer need or are playing with raised starting money. There is no reason to worry about the combat capability when this ship will only see combat in creative.

If you want to learn modded, start with learning vanilla. The same principles are applicable while being less complicated and better balanced.

This is a thread to evaluate the effectiveness of ships, which is difficult with modded ships due to the lack of both balance and depth of knowledge. There are, in comparison to the vanilla competitive scene, very few people fighting modded ships seriously. There's not any advice we can give you and the fundamentals of shipbuilding are more easily learnt in unmodded gameplay.

Looking at it, thrust seems low and excessive amount of corridor spaces everything further apart then it needs to be and the factories are too far away to effectively supply anything. Side cannons seem largely irrelevant. Upper missiles will have trouble not hitting the ship.

Weakpoint

Hatter oh sorry i sent the wrong version

Weakpoint

Here's the vanilla version

Hatter

Weakpoint
Those large reactors are unnecessary and nowhere near being fully used, the missile factories are far away from their launchers, ammo factories are far away from everything, truly excessive number of energy storages, no engine rooms, and top missile launchers are still hitting the ship. The entire thing is over-crewed and has too many reactors. Read 0neye's guide.
Also, weapons can't focus fire.
Try fighting this on AI vs AI, improving your ship while keeping it under budget until you beat it:

YAreyaREdAzE
Nuke launcher is unnecessarily far away, two tiles of corridor is about as far away as you want it without it being too crew intensive. Engine rooms are underutilized. Is you place the ammo facts adjacent to the nuke factory you could easily support two launchers from the adjacency bonus. Flaks can work with one factory or two factories at +25% each feeding two flaks fairly well. Your single nuke launcher is essentially your only fire power. Try running your ship off of two mediums instead of six smalls, if possible.
Try fighting this on AI vs AI.

YAreyaREdAzE

damkiller

Hatter
Damn nice diagonal ship but why nukes?

Altraxia

damkiller Nukes can now aim,but only a little. Makes them my favourite vanilla weapon

Hatter

damkiller
I wanted to see how it would work out.
Super_Mapper
Add armor triangles to ion barrel, move the reactors inward so they don't have to go through several rooms to power the ion. Directly adjacent to the ion, as damkiller demonstrated, is the most efficient. It depends how much you are willing to change the design in the name of optimizing.
dodo_bear
This seems more under the remit of the ship improvement thread, which this line is a link to
dodo_bear
Fix the supply lines.
Your furthest launchers are 41 meters away, through every other launcher. This could cut down with slight door placement, but you should move the missile factories closer. Groups of two missile factories is considered the most efficient arrangement, any more then that and the difficulty of supplying the launchers outstrips the factory adjacency bonus.
With your missile launchers adjacent, any one of them being destroyed will cause the others to detonate and destroy that entire side. Spacing the launchers apart and putting spikes of armor between will protect them and stop chain reactions.
The ion crystals are explosive and will chain react with eachother, shield them. the large reactors have to move through several rooms to power anything. The tractor beams and ions, the biggest power draws, require a prohibitive amount of crew to have sustainable fire. Distributing reactors throughout the ship is better because it distributes power throughout the ship. Nothing requires the concentrated power of four reactors adjacent to eachother.
You could run the entire ship off of a large reactor and a medium, four large reactors
You can test all of this by putting weapons on autofire.
The ship lacks engine rooms and any non-forward thrust, for a ship with relatively long ranged weapons reverse thrust is useful. The other thrust helps with maneuverability.
What armor you did place does nothing to protect the ship, it's a clear shot through the side and front to the reactors.
I'm pretty sure I've said to look at The Guide before, but just in case this entire paragraph is a link to the guide. Read it, again if you have to. Also, fight this ship AI vs AI:

dodo_bear

Can anyone fix this? (it's supposed to be a swarmer)

PS. those weird guns can be replaced with lasers or bolters.

damkiller

Altraxia Sorry but in competive meta they're the worst type of weapon , It's because they need a specific ship type like bombers nuke spinner The damage isn't worth because it's so slow and even it got targeting it's still gonna be easly counter by flaks also this ship won't use all nukes instant Because the range of them is short and speed slow

Altraxia

damkiller Okay.... I'm not interested in competitive so it doesn't really matter. All I did was state my opinion. I never said nukes were good,I only said that i love nukes. Liking something doesn't mean you think it's good. If you read carefully this wouldn't have happened

damkiller

Altraxia
Okay I undersand that, sorry for misundersand you
Super_Mapper Where are reactors? also yeah you can

Super_Mapper

This is one of my first ever designs. How can I improve it while keeping the aesthetic?

damkiller

Like this

dodo_bear

This.

Super_Mapper

dodo_bear

This is just a lost cause.

-A minimal amount of exterior armor
-Lack of shields
-More reactors than needed
-Tractor beams on a pretty small ship
-Lack of backwords thrust