TORPEDOES AWAY!

Minion222

Tobi-wan_Kenobi The new NWADM Mod has got a nuclear torpedo (i have used it, it's a test version) we do not know when trhe mod will be out but i'm sure you will like it with the 3x5 torpedo goodness

Stormi_chan

Tobi-wan_Kenobi WH40k mod has torps, 14 on 14 with a ram attached on it... And with a press of a button you unlish death on your heretics!

Tobi-wan_Kenobi

Thanks for the tip on the WH40K mod guys. I might give that a try, if only to see how that mod does it. I don't typically use mods though. When I build a ship I want to be able to share it with anyone - not only people who have certain mods.

Stormi_chan

Tobi-wan_Kenobi well you could always say: "yo guys I got this cool new ship, but it need that mod" and boom you can share it with everyone :p

Mc2

Tobi-wan_Kenobi

•Long range. They can be fired at the same range as a railgun, or at least the same range as missiles. However, because of increased likelihood of missing due to slow travel velocity, torpedoes would have an effective range similar to lasers.

I´m for at least double (maybe triple?) rail range, that will balance very low speed, and countering by dodging.
and in cae torpedo miss its target, it will soon gat to far away to track again and disappear in space.
Torpedo shoot might have be seen on minimap I suppose, but without it, there will no more straight forward movement with confident, more maneuvers will happen then.

Next one, plaers should have the ability to order torpedo launch

If a torpedo is still in flight, the tube cannot fire again until the previous expires or detonates. In this way, you can only take advantage of the best reload rate of torpedoes if your shots hit (or if they are shot down by PDs, which makes dodging torpedoes even more attractive). This punishes misses.

No artificial time limits, 1 door, enough high number of parts and fire rate will be 1 torpedo in air, good build will differ from bad by slightly higher fire rate, for me max 3 torpedos/minute in speed 1 seem high be enough fire rate to have it balanced.

Does this kind of replace the 'under consideration' Nuclear Missile? I feel like Walt hasn't confirmed that as 'planned' because it might be OP, but torpedoes as I have described them would have enough drawbacks. Maybe replace that and call these nuclear torpedoes?

Great, torpedo you suggested I like, and nuclear missiles are, just , awkward idea.

Oneye

Tobi-wan_Kenobi I really like this idea, it would be really fun to play with!

Amazing_Goob

I don't think they should be guided at all; other wise it would just be a big, slow missile. It should be more like WWII torpedos where they move in a straight line. If my plan is implemented, they should be faster that your idea of a torpedo.

Elethio

Amazing_Goob I don't think they should be guided at all; otherwise, it would just be a big, slow missile. It should be more like WWII torpedos where they move in a straight line. If my plan is implemented, they should be faster than your idea of a torpedo.

Torpedoes are much bigger and slower than missiles and will always be, and as such smaller ships should usually be able to outmanoeuvre them. However, that slower speed and self targetting ability gives them a much longer range, and even the ability to sneak up on targets beyond sensor range, switching to attack speed when they get close enough for a kill.

Torpedoes are big ship killers, and torpedoes are resistant to most countermeasure. But, their impact should be devasting enough to frighten even the toughest targets.

The Tigerfish torpedo
" Wire guidance permits a torpedo to be launched on-first-warning, i.e. when a target is first detected at long range. This permits the torpedo the time needed to close the range while target course and speed is being updated by the submarine's superior sensors and transmitted 'down-the-wire'. The torpedo can also be reassigned to another target or recalled. Typically, wire-guided torpedoes initially run at low speed (in order to maximize their range and to minimize their self-generated noise) while they close the range (the approach speed) and speed up during the attack phase (the attack speed). "

You have a point about the fire and forget type of torpedo though, and there are examples of shorter range, more powerful torpedoes too:

"When HMS Conqueror sank the ARA General Belgrano during the 1982 Falklands war she used the "point and shoot" 21" Mark VIII torpedoes rather than her Tigerfish. The Mark VIII had no homing system but, despite the design being over 50 years old at the time, was far more reliable and carried a greater high-explosive payload."

Obviously different types of Torpedoes can fill multiple roles, so I think a system that allows the designer or captain to customize torpedo load-outs would be very interesting.

Lafiel

As far as realism goes: projectrho is for scifi writers and is at best undergraduate university level.
In space there is no difference between torpedoes and missile other than perhaps the size of their warhead (and the term used). The difference is only on Earth between the ocean and in the air.

I certainly would like more parts in vanilla, but each new thing has to add new feature application because they also serve to guide modders. The feature I want with torpedoes is their ability to acquire a target by themselves especially when the target got destroyed. Btw. I already asked for this feature months ago so it actually might come soon.

Elethio

Hi Tobi-wan_Kenobi

I enjoyed my coffee thanks.

"Torpedoes are too cool not to have" - Totally agree.

I made a post not long ago detailing some ideas for how torpedoes could work, and for the most part, our basic ideas are very similar; Big, slow, partly guided projectiles that are armoured against PD and can do serious damage to even big ships. I love the mock-up you made and having energy bars "fill-up" a torpedo is a great idea too.

Torpedoes vs Shields
I like the fact that you've highlighted the similarities between Torpedoes and Railguns, they're both long range, high alpha weapons and IMO Torpedoes have more in common tactically, with railguns than with missiles. So to make Torpedoes really distinct I'd like them to find a role that no other weapon fills. Railguns are the long-range ship killers, but what they're not so good at is getting past shields. If Torpedoes could fill this role, it would make them very frightening to big ships indeed.

Given a large enough AOE, a Torpedo explosion could reach a target even beyond the range of its shield, damaging and destroying edge components and even the shields themselves. Another way a Torpedo could 'get past shields' would be to simply allow them to fly through shields undamaged (talked about a shield phasing device I described in my post).

Torpedoes and guidance
I really like your idea to have Torpedoes 'target' something only after a delay. Of course, Red October taught us that this is a thing because otherwise, Torpedoes might target the ship that launched them. I'm not sure how a Torpedo would decide what to target in cosmoteer, would it be the nearest ship? or the biggest ship within a certain range? or the biggest 'heat signature' (most powerful engines), or whatever target is in front of them when they activate? something else?

Amazing_Goob

Elethio I agree with every word you said.

Amazing_Goob

Elethio But, you could have a "wire room" behind the torpedo launcher which give s it guidance capability.

Spalter

The thing about Torpedos and Missiles is that they have a way better Thrust to Mass Ratio then any Ship. (At least in RL) So trying to Dodge them or hoping that they miss would end in the same result. You get hit anyway. The only thing that helps is what we see in the game, shooting them with Guns.