Abh Mod v 0.5.3 RC3.6 for Cosmoteer v 0.14.2-0.14.3

MRVIR

Killing background programms don't mean. activating max perfomance mode in windows too

Lafiel

MRVIR Go to settings/graphics and play around with "Limit Framerate" off and or set a higher frame rate number. See if this makes a difference for you.

MRVIR Depends on the background programs. One could hog and tank your processing power or use up lots of memory.

I think memory is a factor for Cosmoteer, but it's difficult to measure it. The biggest issue for lag is crew management but this depends on ships. And I'm guessing the way how the game manages the part database which is probably the reason why it lags with Abh.
https://forum.cosmoteer.net/d/6366-fps-issuses
https://forum.cosmoteer.net/d/5848-so-slow

MRVIR

disabling fps limiter - nothing happens
FPS limiter 61 - nothing happens
Fancy particles OFF - 9 fps now more stable
Animated Back. OFF long time ago,
My GPU drivers is 385.28 (end of life,im try to seek the latest drivers,i think is around < 391.xx)
and my windows (7x64 sp1) installed a week ago
my system when game is not started& (im RU)
image https://i.imgur.com/u4XPpJT.png

Lafiel

MRVIR Background processes look alright. You probaly don't need Yandex all the time, though.

Anyway, I think I know where the problem is. Please use GPU-Z to check your GPU specs again.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-gpu-z/
You said it has 840 cores but NVIDIA says it has 384 cores. So technically it's the same as mine.
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-740/specifications
If it's the same then the problem is that it's too slow to get you higher FPS rates. Your CPU is fast so you can play with larger ships better than me. But the GPU is the bottleneck and limits the speed at some point.
I think a GeForce GTX 780 would probably get FPS to 100.

MRVIR

i say its core FREQ/MEM FREQ.
image https://i.imgur.com/hwtAg2b.png

Blockquote But the GPU is the bottleneck
what?

Lafiel

MRVIR Thanks for clarifying. Looks we found something where Cosmoteer needs a performance improvement. I think this is something to ask @Walt.
As a comparison to Abh could you please run the test with SW:ACD, BloodCult, Automation++, and Decomod all together at once? The total number of available parts should be about the same +-100. I would like to see if there's any big difference.

MRVIR

Lafiel PART 1
i maked some tests. downclocking my CPU to 3.4Ghz(base 3,8,stable OC that i use 4,2) | not mean
BUT downclock RAM (both dualchannel) 1600->1333 = fps drops to 4 (from 9)
Overclocking Ram to 1700 |not mean
installing 391.35 drivers | not mean
i think Cosmoteer need Multithreading up to 3-8 cores (because mostly only 1 my core is 80-100% that VERY mean with using FX series CPU)

PART 2(i use 0.14.3 so i have version alert while installing mods but game running)
all mods that you give+ABH=I don't see differens between it and ABH only
all mods that you give (no ABH) 80+ fps

Walt

Lafiel Looks we found something where Cosmoteer needs a performance improvement.

Found what, specifically?

Easy way to tell if it's a CPU or GPU bottleneck: Pause the game. If you get significantly higher FPS, it's a CPU bottleneck.

Lafiel

MRVIR Thank you. I think I might know where the difference is.
Please run two tests with this test mod: 1. as is and 2. with the modified mod.txt
Please tell me about the memory usage I would like to see how big of a difference it is.

MRVIR

Lafiel
no game 1610Mb
ABH 5600Mb / 9 FPS
MODS.txt 3700Mb / 9 FPS ( Creative mode loading REALLY FASTER than other tests)
RC 3.7 5600Mb / 9 FPS

Lafiel

MRVIR Thanks a lot. 😃 Too bad there's no FPS difference. 🙁

Walt I thought it was due to the overhead with ship classes that causes the significant break in FPS. But according to MRVIR's data there's only the memory overhead that's different.
Pausing the game always gives me a FPS jump...

Looks like my efforts for reducing memory made no difference either. 🙁

MRVIR

Lafiel
Pause FPS |1/4 speed FPS
ABH PAUSE - 60|9 (on pause GPU bottlenecks)
NO MODS 200|140 (on pause 70% GPU load)
NO MODS+ disabled fancy partic 300|200 (on pause 60% GPU load)
FPS problem only with this mod.because mod pack that you give to me working OK
UPD:
NO MODS + disabled FP 1/4 speed 80-90% GPU load
No MODS 1/4 speed 40-50 % GPU load

Lafiel

MRVIR Thanks for all your efforts and the data.

Even though my efforts to reduce memory with RC3.7 didn't seem to make a difference I'll keep it. I'll also keep ship classes. I wish Cosmoteer developer mode would give some statistics for mods like how much memory a mod actually uses. As is we can only see all the memory the game uses at one time. It's not really precise enough.

I'll release RC3.7 this weekend. I'll also ask @Afox2 to run his test to see if it's better for him, too. Can't have enough test data.

It's too bad I still don't know where the difference is that makes Abh lag more then the combined mods of the others. My current guess is it's the large number of effects but I can't test this.

Walt

Lafiel I wish Cosmoteer developer mode would give some statistics for mods like how much memory a mod actually uses.

Unfortunately due to the way all sprites are combined into atlases, this is pretty much impossible. Only real way is to run the game with and without the mod and measure the difference.

Lafiel It's too bad I still don't know where the difference is that makes Abh lag more then the combined mods of the others. My current guess is it's the large number of effects but I can't test this.

Give me a download link for the mod version you want me to test and a saved game that works both vanilla and modded, and I'll do a quick test to see if I can see anything obvious that's slowing the game down.

Lafiel

Walt Here's the mod and the savegame
with no mods I got 70-90 FPS but it dips down to 40 at the beginning
with mod I get 4-6 FPS

Walt

Lafiel Okay, I just did a quick test with that saved game, with and without the mod. I can confirm that I too am seeing a massive FPS decrease when playing that saved game with the mod activated. Using a profiler I can see that the vast majority of CPU time is spent updating the crew, but I'm not sure why Abh would be so much slower at that. Does Abh make any changes to the crew, such as changing their speed and/or update rate?

Lafiel

Walt Nope, certainly nothing to do with crew.

Walt

Lafiel Okay, I found the problem. In your ammo.txt you have a line:

MaxCarriedSprites = 1000

Because of the way that crew are optimized (so that they can be rendered in a single draw call), crew are always rendered using a number of sprites equal to 1 + the highest MaxCarriedSprites of any ammo type, regardless of how much ammo they're actually carrying. In vanilla, that's 3. In Abh, that's 1001, which crushes both the CPU (with so many sprites it has to recalculate) and GPU (with so many unseen-yet-still-there sprites it has to render). Setting MaxCarriedSprites = 1 fixes it and makes performance match vanilla.

Lafiel

Walt I see. Thanks a lot. I would have never found it. Talk about out of nowhere mistakes...

Edit: I get 55-60 FPS now, but it still dips to 35-40 at the start when all weapons fire.
Mod updated and uploaded.

Walt

Lafiel I get 55-60 FPS now, but it still dips to 35-40 at the start when all weapons fire.
Mod updated and uploaded.

Vanilla tends to do that as well. Are you seeing a big difference between Abh and vanilla?

Lafiel

Walt It's a difference of 20-30 FPS and since I get around 60 FPS it doesn't look laggy most of the time. I get a few glimpses of lag from time to time. And when alpha strikes happen.