Cosmoteer Release Candidate 0.14.2_rc1

David623

Also cannon got quite the insane buff along with rail with nerf toward EB and laser
So possible meta would be shifted from EB+ laser/full laser to more cannon focus + heavy laser

Mrowte

Walt Thanks 🙂

Brank

Walt what happens when you press SHIFT+TILDE+8?

Mrowte

Brank Probally secrets

Walt

Brank what happens when you press SHIFT+TILDE+8?

YOU DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT. BAD THINGS.

INFINITYhey Anoying bug in multiplayer when ship whont turn when attacking
(This destoys multiplayer)

Can you elaborate on this? I'm not seeing any problems.

KarolOfGutovo I had bug in creative when I couldn't make new ship.

What happens when you try to create a new ship?

Brank

Walt Note that this update is, sadly, incompatible with most existing mods, for two major reasons:
All bullet IDs must now be in author_name.bullet_id format.
Weapon emitters are now separate part components from the weapons themselves. This was done to support weapons that fire multiple projectiles, and they can also be hooked up to any trigger to emit shots without requiring a weapon component.
While these breaking changes aren't nearly as huge as those in 0.14.0, I realize it's still pretty annoying, so in the coming days, I will be working on a mod upgrader to automatically upgrade mods from 0.14.1 to 0.14.2.

Oof. just. Oof

INFINITYhey

Anoying bug in multiplayer when ship whont turn when attacking
(This destoys multiplayer)

kieffer5101

INFINITYhey maybe you are using the locked rotation command?

INFINITYhey

how o i not use it then?

kieffer5101

INFINITYhey it is part of the new advanced commands

KarolOfGutovo

I had bug in creative when I couldn't make new ship.

KarolOfGutovo

Walt Sometimes builder just closes after one frame, I have 32-bit and putting in ship from library fixes it.

INFINITYhey

Walt Well it will in the start but when you come closer and whant to micro you cant :C (ifyou not order the ship to go far behind the other player :I)

ucyimDa_Ruler

@Walt

When I issue a rotate command, after about a minute my railguns no longer attack.
Missile defenders no longer shoot bullets. (I do have minimal animations turned on)
Placing a ship (medium to small in size), then launching the battle helper and selecting a ship causes ships to be fused, then Cosmoteer stops responding.
Starting a new game used to take about a second. Now there's about a 7-10 second delay.
Looks like railguns now try to hit the selected attack target. Where as in the past it shot ANYTHING in sight. Broken pieces of ship, debris, etc.
In addition, railguns appear to halt attacks if there is something blocking the line of sight.
Larger ships still overshoot their destination but compared to last version it is a small amount. And it no longer turns indefinitely.
I agree with @INFINITYhey . When I click on New Ship, it just zooms in without putting you in blueprint mode or building mode. Starting new game doesn't work. You can edit existing ships. You cannot create asteroids either. Restarting the game doesn't work either 🙁
Small ships can't reach their destination. See attached.

I'll play around some more.

Walt

ucyimDa_Ruler When I issue a rotate command, after about a minute my railguns no longer attack.

I think the rotate command is a red herring here. Looks like there's a problem when the ship with the railguns is moving backwards.

ucyimDa_Ruler Missile defenders no longer shoot bullets. (I do have minimal animations turned on)

Thanks, this is a bug, will be fixed in the next RC.

ucyimDa_Ruler Placing a ship (medium to small in size), then launching the battle helper and selecting a ship causes ships to be fused, then Cosmoteer stops responding.

Pretty sure this isn't a new bug, but thanks for pointing it out.

ucyimDa_Ruler Starting a new game used to take about a second. Now there's about a 7-10 second delay.

Hmm, strange, it's taking less than a second for me. Is anyone else seeing this? Is this the case for both Bounty Hunter and Creative Mode?

ucyimDa_Ruler Looks like railguns now try to hit the selected attack target. Where as in the past it shot ANYTHING in sight. Broken pieces of ship, debris, etc.

Do you have a saved game that shows this? It seems to be working fine for me. (That is, railguns will shoot through ships classified as "junk" regardless of whether they have a specific target or not.)

ucyimDa_Ruler Larger ships still overshoot their destination but compared to last version it is a small amount. And it no longer turns indefinitely.

So this is an improvement, right? Yeah it won't be perfect, that's basically impossible, but it should be better.

ucyimDa_Ruler I agree with @INFINITYhey . When I click on New Ship, it just zooms in without putting you in blueprint mode or building mode. Starting new game doesn't work. You can edit existing ships. You cannot create asteroids either. Restarting the game doesn't work either 🙁

ucyimDa_Ruler When I click on New Ship, it just zooms in without putting you in blueprint mode or building mode. Starting new game doesn't work. You can edit existing ships. You cannot create asteroids either. Restarting the game doesn't work either 🙁

Strange, this is definitely working fine for me. Can you please send me your settings.txt file?

ucyimDa_Ruler Small ships can't reach their destination. See attached.

This has nothing to do with the ship being small and everything to do with it not having enough lateral thrust. It definitely works much worse than in 0.14.1 though, so I'll look into improving it.

ucyimDa_Ruler Updated: When I turned off the lateral thruster on the bottom, it turned off the one mirrored to it. Weird bug!

With that little ship you posted? Does that happen consistently for you? It's not happening for me.

ucyimDa_Ruler Incomplete ships are hard AF to get back into edit mode. You have place another ship, go into edit mode, exit then you can click on the incomplete ship to put it back into edit mode. Yikes!

What do you mean by "incomplete ship"?

INFINITYhey Well it will in the start but when you come closer and whant to micro you cant :C (ifyou not order the ship to go far behind the other player :I)

Sorry, I don't understand.

INFINITYhey hmm sad SHIFT+TILDE+8 do nothing 🙁

??? It should definitely do something very obvious.

KarolOfGutovo

ucyimDa_Ruler You have to have some ship on MAP for editor to work.

ucyimDa_Ruler

Updated: When I turned off the lateral thruster on the bottom, it turned off the one mirrored to it. Weird bug!

ucyimDa_Ruler

Incomplete ships are hard AF to get back into edit mode. You have place another ship, go into edit mode, exit then you can click on the incomplete ship to put it back into edit mode. Yikes!

Ultranova

TIME TO PRESS SHIFT+TILDE+8 😏

INFINITYhey

hmm sad SHIFT+TILDE+8 do nothing 🙁

Mc2

Just with new speed of thrusters, shortest distance between ships should be much far.

Mc2

Walt when turning oin/ of boost instantly, it make all bost engine instantly empty, even that ones full loaded and not used.

Edit:
When is boos on, it makes all boost engines to use energy even if not used, and surprisingly engine which was not in action at all, lost all its energy first 😃

Walt

Mc2 when turning oin/ of boost instantly, it make all bost engine instantly empty, even that ones full loaded and not used.

Probably no reason to empty boost thrusters that are still at full power. I'll turn that off.

Mc2 When is boos on, it makes all boost engines to use energy even if not used

Yes, this is so that you don't just play all the time with boost mode turned on.

The alternative is to make it so they only use power when actually firing, but make that power usage way more per unit of thrust than with boost mode off. My concern here is then people would just always leave the thrusters in boost mode instead of turning it on when they need it most.

SpaceCat You give them with a left click - when we where used to give move commands with a right click!

This is the convention in every RTS game I've ever played, so I copied it.

SpaceCat clicking in the left corner of the screen every time

Use the hotkey?

SpaceCat The move orders via hotkey conflict with "Always show command handles" set to on - they simply do not work then and that seems glitchy.

Can you elaborate? I'm not seeing anything wrong or glitchy.

SpaceCat The only weapon falling behind now are iON Beam Emitters - i remember they got a range nerf - then the other weapons all got a range buff and now another range, speed and anti-shield buff again - but the iONs got nothing. I would imagine weather make them draining shields more or make them a long range weapon again similar to missiles&Rialguns.

I can see buffing their range to match cannons and maybe given them a modest damage buff.

Ion Beams are also slated to get way cooler with the upcoming Ion Prisms.

SpaceCat The only thing that feels a bit hard about them is ofc the "clearence area" being more then 2x the lenght of a huge thruster! 2x the lenght of a large thruster would feel more usable, even if it would be less "reasonable" because it boosts 3x the thrust. Hmm ... maybe 2.5x the lenght of large thrusters (?)

I'm open to changing this. I made them so long to discourage their use on kiters. (And better to start long and make shorter than start short and make longer and break ship designs.)

SpaceCat I have not tested if the "Boost mode" itself is also is increased by the engine room but it feels like it is, is it?

It does yes, but so does the power usage, so the boost period is shorter.

SpaceCat Thanks for the "larger command handles"!

You're welcome!