Cosmoteer Release Candidate 0.14.1_rc1

Dibs

Testing with a railgun broadside, my game crashes every time when 6x guns fire at the same time. 5x guns works fine, but at 6x the game crashes.
I've been spawning ships in creative mode, lining them up and then changing the allegiance of a ship. i can bypass this crash by building the guns in realtime and letting them fire at their own rate, but as a single volley it is breaking my game.

That said, by my testing they are still woefully under powered vs shields.
Without shields, a railgun with 1x accelerator performs about as well as 1x Ion Beam Emitter at cutting through a ship. This seems acceptable to me with the exception of cost. 1x Ion + reactor is 25,000c (before crew). 1x railgun with 1x accelerator + reactor + ammunition factory is 42,500c (before crew).

Walt

Thanks for the feedback and bug reports, everyone! Much appreciated. Will try to get another RC out today.

Dalas120 Bug: railgun shots can pass through armor without dealing damage

Thanks for the save file, I think this should be fixed in the next RC.

jbox1 Probably due to the change in how penetration works, but railguns don't do damage to tiles inside the ship, but considering this is a synthetic test dummy made out of corridors, it naturally has no walls, sooo...

Yeah, a bullet passing from a corridor tile to a corridor tile will deal no penetration damage. This is intentional.

SpaceCat Is it intentional the Railgun having autofire only on the launcher?

The launcher is technically the "weapon", but I realize that's kind of unintuitive. I might make it so that when you select one railgun part it auto-selects all of them.

SpaceCat MP crashes whenever a part is destroyed (seems no matter what part).

The multiplayer crashes should be fixed in the next RC.

Dibs i found that often the projectile would pass through a single sheet of armor doing no damage, i presume its traveling too quickly to register a hit.

Yup, this is the same bug that Dalas found. It's actually related to the physics optimizations I made and can theoretically happen with any projectile, though it's by far the most common with the railgun due to its speed. I think it should be fixed in the next RC.

SpaceCat But should "part specific targeting" not have a single shortcut.
Now it is shift&click for targeted ship and ctrl&click for non-targeted.

Huh? I don't understand what you mean. It's ctrl+click if you aren't already attacking, and just click if are already attacking. Shift is not required.

Dalas120 High impact damage, low penetration damage, and high explosion damage also feels unintuitive, though I think I understand why it was done that way.

Currently the impact and explosion damage scales with the railgun buff, but the penetration damage does not. My thinking here was that total penetration damage already scales with penetration distance and so doesn't itself need to be buffed, but that does leave penetration damage feeling pretty weak. I might try buffing penetration damage as well.

Dalas120 - improve the stacking efficiency of extenders slightly. This reduces the cost, and also increases the optimal railgun size.
- reduce extender power cost. This reduces the cost, and it also discourages railgun spamming. Low power draw per extender means that a single reactor will either waste power or require tons of crew if it's powering only railguns.
- increase launcher cost/ammo usage. This increases the optimal railgun size.
- increase max range slightly. No particular balance reason (range isn't the biggest issue right now), but it just seems like a really really big railgun should go a little further than it currently does.
- change how damage works. IMO remove the explosion at the end, buff the impact damage, and allow the impact damage to "bleed forward" if it can kill the impacted part. This feels a lot more like a penetrating railgun to me, and would solve the problem of massive, massive impact overkill/wasted damage that long railguns suffer from. (other ideas: AOE penetration damage? partial shield penetration?)

I'll try some of these for the next RC and see how it goes.

Dalas120 Right now the 4 second firing timer starts when the railgun is completely powered and loaded, not when the previous shot fires. It would make sense if the timer started as soon as a shot was fired, like the other weapons (at least I think that's how it works).

I believe all weapons should work the same in that their reload timer starts the moment they start firing but resets to zero if it ever goes offline. So I suspect what you're seeing is the railgun going offline a lot and getting its reload timer reset.

Dalas120 It would also be great if the railgun could fire without all extenders/launcher powered, and just have reduced damage+speed+penetration+range.

Hmm, not sure how I feel about this. I suspect it would lead to it firing under-powered most of the time, which probably isn't what the player wants?

Dalas120 I would suggest increasing the density of the railgun by a LOT, maybe to 5 or 6 (up from 2).

I'm going to increase it to 4 for the next RC. At some point it starts to feel weird compared to armor, which is 3.

Dalas120 Penetration changes feel unintuitive to me,

Can you elaborate on what feels unintuitive? The whole reason I made the change was to make it more intuitive/natural.

Dalas120 The damage might grow a little too slowly.

Certainly possible, but I want to wait for actual multiplayer testing before changing it.

Dalas120 Could the RoD be graphically changed to indicate the new damage?

Yeah I'll try to think of a way to indicate how much damage you're taking.

Equalizer Maybe the penetration damage should also be buffed by the accelerators.

Will try this in the next RC.

Equalizer I also find it rather odd that the penetration damage is registered only once regardless of how big the part is. This contributes a lot to the 'shot can fly though ship without doing any noticeable damage' effect.

This is true of all penetrating weapons. Per-tile is how it used to work a long time ago. I'm not wedded to the current mechanic and am open to changing it back.

Lafiel Also some code snippet would be nice. (OverrideBulletLifetime, CommandToggle)


				{
					Type = OverrideBulletLifetime
					LifetimeComponent = Death
					Lifetime = 5
					Mode = Set // Optional, 'Set' is the default. Can also be 'Min' and 'Max'.
				}

				{
					Type = OverrideBulletDistance
					DistanceComponent = Death
					Distance = 5
					Mode = Set // Optional, 'Set' is the default. Can also be 'Min' and 'Max'.
				}

		MyCommandToggle
		{
			Type = CommandToggle
		}

(Note that command in general is kind of broken in this RC and will be fixed in the next RC.)

Dibs Testing with a railgun broadside, my game crashes every time when 6x guns fire at the same time. 5x guns works fine, but at 6x the game crashes.

Yup that's a bug that will be fixed in the next RC. Thanks!

samepage What's the changes to the engaging AI?

This update reduced the frequency and amount at which the A.I. will change positions when fighting.

INFINITYhey Mulitplayer error

Yep, will be fixed in the next RC, thanks!

Dalas120 To elaborate on this, right now a 999999 damage railgun bullet will still only be able to destroy one part on impact, and only a few parts in the explosion. It seems intuitive to me that if a railgun bullet hits a part, destroys it, and has damage left over, then that damage could carry forward to the next part hit (and the next, and the next). This mechanic could apply to shields as well.

IMO this is more how you would expect a railgun to function, and would make it's damage a lot more useful. Right now the damage is spread out, difficult to target/predict, and prone to severe overkill.

I'll think about this, though it'd be a big technical change to how damage and penetration is coded. Not going to do it for the next RC. Let's see how we like the buffed penetration damage first.

samepage

What's the changes to the engaging AI? My ships barely perform any evasive maneuver. They just stand still and get overwhelmed by incoming fire. Before this update the ships can dodge most of the Large Cannon shots.

INFINITYhey

Mulitplayer error

System.NullReferenceException: Objektreferensen har inte angetts till en instans av ett objekt.

vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Parts.Weapons.WeaponTarget.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Parts\Weapons\WeaponTarget.cs:rad 107

vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Parts.Weapons.TurretWeapon.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Parts\Weapons\TurretWeapon.cs:rad 100

vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Parts.Weapons.WeaponManager.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Parts\Weapons\WeaponManager.cs:rad 107

vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Ship.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Ship.cs:rad 598

vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimShipsManager.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimShipsManager.cs:rad 138

vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 486

vid Cosmoteer.Game.Multiplayer.MPClientManager.CheckGameSync(IntegrityHashPhase phase, Int32 bucket) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Game\Multiplayer\MPClientManager.cs:rad 61

vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.FixedUpdate() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 941

vid Halfling.Timing.FixedUpdater.Update(Time deltaTime, Action action) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Timing\FixedUpdater.cs:rad 110

vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.DoFixedUpdates() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 917

vid Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.Update() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:rad 697

vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.Update() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 567

vid Cosmoteer.Game.GameRoot.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Game\GameRoot.cs:rad 1159

vid Halfling.Application.AppStateEx.Halfling.Application.IAppState.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\AppStateEx.cs:rad 210

vid Halfling.Application.Director.CallUpdate() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:rad 915

vid Halfling.Application.Director.DoUpdate() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:rad 801

vid Halfling.Application.Director.<GetRunIterator>d__83.MoveNext() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:rad 334

vid Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.<ApplicationMainIterator>d__42.MoveNext() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:rad 249

vid Halfling.Windows.D3D11.D3D11Window.RunGameLoop(String[] args, IEnumerable`1 iterator) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingPlatformWDX\Windows\D3D11\D3D11Window.cs:rad 890

vid Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.ApplicationMain(String[] args) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:rad 163

vid Cosmoteer.GameApp.Main(String[] args) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\GameApp.cs:rad 118

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | Logging successful initialized.

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | .NET Runtime Version: 4.0.30319.42000

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | Running as a 64-bit process.

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | Local: sv-SE

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | Language: sv-SE

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | Cosmoteer version 0.14.1_rc1

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | RELEASE CANDIDATE

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64 bitar 10.0.16299

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | AMD A10-7800 Radeon R7, 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G (4 logical processors)

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | 8139,7 MB RAM

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | NVIDIA GeForce GT 730 (23.21.13.8873) (2017-12-18)

06/03/2018 13:42:36 | 2048,0 MB VRAM

06/03/2018 13:42:36 |

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Loaded app settings.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Mixpanel Distinct ID: 43C75DD9B7734C5580F095BFFAD0A38E

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Process is now DPI-aware.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Setup default cursor.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Using display adapter 0

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created DXGI factory.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Adapter #0: NVIDIA GeForce GT 730

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Output #0: Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080)

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Output #1: Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080)

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Adapter #1: Microsoft Basic Render Driver

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Updated Windows form configuration for resizable windowed.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created Windows form.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Direct3D Feature Level: Level_11_0

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created Direct3D 11 Device.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created swap chain: 1920x1017.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created window.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created clock.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created graphics manager.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created XAudio2 device.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created audio manager.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created input manager.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Created default font.

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Initial app state is 'MainMenu'

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Initial application settings:

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | LastGameVersion:

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | InitState: MainMenu

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Language:

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06/03/2018 13:42:37 | EdgePanMode: Analog

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | EdgePanSpeed: 15

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | KeyboardPanSpeed: 15

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | KeyboardZoomSpeed: 10

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | KeyboardRotSpeed: 90°

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | EnableMouseWheelZoom: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | InvertMouseWheelZoom: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MouseWheelZoomSpeed: 1,12

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MouseWheelZoomAtCursor: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | StickyFocus: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DpiScaleMode: Dpi100

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AnimateBackgrounds: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | FancyParticles: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | UncompressedTextures: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AllowShipDeselection: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | CtrlSelectsParts: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PreferBlueprintMode: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BlueprintAutoPause: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ShowInvalidBlueprints: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildAutoFocus: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildAutoRotate: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildAutoInteriors: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PaintAutoFocus: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PaintAutoRotate: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PaintAllowOverwrite: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PaintMirrorEnabled: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PaintMirrorAxis: Vertical

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | RepairAutoFocus: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | RepairAutoRotate: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildAllowOverwrite: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildAutoDoors: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildEnforceCrewAccess: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildMirrorEnabled: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BuildMirrorAxis: Vertical

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | RowsOfParts: 1

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | GrabLeavesCorridors: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | RepairAutoDoors: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AutoHireCrew: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PartToolTips: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AutoSave: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AutoSavesToKeep: 10

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | QuickSavesToKeep: 10

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AutoSaveInterval: 600

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | FtlAutoSave: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ShowOnShipIndicators: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AutoPauseOnLostFocus: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ScreenShake: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | VersionCheckMode: Unstable

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | EnableMetrics: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PreferBorderlessWindowToggle: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MasterVolume: 1

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | EffectsVolume: 1

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | InterfaceVolume: 1

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ShowTutorials: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AutoFtlJump: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PaintSchemes: System.Collections.Generic.List`1[Cosmoteer.Ships.PaintScheme]

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DefaultBuildTool: Grab

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06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PlayerColor:

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06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MiniviewNotInCombatMode: Auto

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MiniviewLockRotation: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MiniviewSize:

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ShowInteriors: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AlwaysShowCommandWidgets: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PreferShipRelativeAttackAngle: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PreferWorldRelativeFollowAngle: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ShipLibraryLargeIcons: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AdHocFormations: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | BreakFormationToAttack: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | EnabledMods: System.Collections.Generic.HashSet`1[System.String]

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DeleteFileOnStartup:

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06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DefaultBountyModeDifficulty: 0

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DefaultBountyModeMapSize: 0

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DefaultBountyModeStarterShip: 0

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | WarnOutOfDateGpuDrivers: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MPShipColorMode: RandomPerPlayer

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | MPBlipColorMode: FriendAndFoe

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | AutoPortForwarding: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DisplayPublicIP: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | PreferLAN: False

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | DefaultServer: 0

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ShowNewsOnStartup: True

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06/03/2018 13:42:37 | ShowNewsAlerts: True

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | HiddenNewsAlerts: System.Collections.Generic.HashSet`1[System.String]

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Starting main game loop...

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Enabled mods:

06/03/2018 13:42:37 | Loaded language 'en'.

06/03/2018 13:42:46 | Loaded game rules.

06/03/2018 13:46:57 | Starting multiplayer game as client with 3 total players.

06/03/2018 13:46:57 | Multiplayer Instance ID: c10b805c-7cc1-4cb1-b48e-08aa9be537be

06/03/2018 13:46:57 | Game pushed onto stack.

06/03/2018 13:46:57 | Game mode is: FFAVersusGameModeManager

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | Memory usage at time of crash: 915 116 032

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | Application state stack at time of crash:

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | Cosmoteer.Game.GameRoot

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | Cosmoteer.Gui.TitleScreen

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | FPS at time of crash: 119,1105

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | Running processes at time of crash: AkSA, Antitheft, ApplicationFrameHost, audiodg, browser_broker, CLMLSvc, Cosmoteer, csrss, ctfmon, dllhost, dwm, explorer, FlashUtil_ActiveX, fontdrvhost, hotkey, HPLaserJetService, HPSIsvc, ICM-Service, Idle, JME_LOAD, jucheck, jusched, Lenovo.Modern.ImController, Lenovo.Modern.ImController.PluginHost.Device, lsass, LSCNotify, mcapexe, McCSPServiceHost, mcsacore, mcshield, McSvHost, McUICnt, Memory Compression, mfefire, mfemms, mfevtps, MicrosoftEdge, MicrosoftEdgeCP, ModuleCoreService, MSASCuiL, NVDisplay.Container, OneDrive, PDVD12Serv, PEFService, PresentationFontCache, RAVBg64, RAVCpl64, RuntimeBroker, saUI, SearchIndexer, SearchUI, SecurityHealthService, Service, services, SettingSyncHost, ShellExperienceHost, sihost, Skype, SkypeHost, smartscreen, smss, spoolsv, Steam, SteamService, steamwebhelper, svchost, System, taskhostw, ThreatEmulation, UMonit64, wgc, wgc_watchdog, wininit, winlogon, WmiPrvSE, vsmon, WUDFHost, ZAPrivacyService, zatray,

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | System.NullReferenceException: Objektreferensen har inte angetts till en instans av ett objekt.

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Parts.Weapons.WeaponTarget.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Parts\Weapons\WeaponTarget.cs:rad 107

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Parts.Weapons.TurretWeapon.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Parts\Weapons\TurretWeapon.cs:rad 100

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Parts.Weapons.WeaponManager.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Parts\Weapons\WeaponManager.cs:rad 107

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Ships.Ship.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Ships\Ship.cs:rad 598

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimShipsManager.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimShipsManager.cs:rad 138

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.GetIntegrityHash(IntegrityHash iHash) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 486

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Game.Multiplayer.MPClientManager.CheckGameSync(IntegrityHashPhase phase, Int32 bucket) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Game\Multiplayer\MPClientManager.cs:rad 61

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.FixedUpdate() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 941

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Timing.FixedUpdater.Update(Time deltaTime, Action action) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Timing\FixedUpdater.cs:rad 110

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.DoFixedUpdates() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 917

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.Update() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:rad 697

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.Update() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:rad 567

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.Game.GameRoot.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Game\GameRoot.cs:rad 1159

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Application.AppStateEx.Halfling.Application.IAppState.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\AppStateEx.cs:rad 210

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Application.Director.CallUpdate() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:rad 915

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Application.Director.DoUpdate() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:rad 801

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Application.Director.<GetRunIterator>d__83.MoveNext() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:rad 334

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.<ApplicationMainIterator>d__42.MoveNext() i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:rad 249

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Windows.D3D11.D3D11Window.RunGameLoop(String[] args, IEnumerable`1 iterator) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingPlatformWDX\Windows\D3D11\D3D11Window.cs:rad 890

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.ApplicationMain(String[] args) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:rad 163

06/03/2018 13:50:10 | vid Cosmoteer.GameApp.Main(String[] args) i C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\GameApp.cs:rad 118

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Dalas120

Dalas120 change how damage works. IMO remove the explosion at the end, buff the impact damage, and allow the impact damage to "bleed forward" if it can kill the impacted part.

To elaborate on this, right now a 999999 damage railgun bullet will still only be able to destroy one part on impact, and only a few parts in the explosion. It seems intuitive to me that if a railgun bullet hits a part, destroys it, and has damage left over, then that damage could carry forward to the next part hit (and the next, and the next). This mechanic could apply to shields as well.

IMO this is more how you would expect a railgun to function, and would make it's damage a lot more useful. Right now the damage is spread out, difficult to target/predict, and prone to severe overkill.

Dalas120

Walt I believe all weapons should work the same in that their reload timer starts the moment they start firing but resets to zero if it ever goes offline. So I suspect what you're seeing is the railgun going offline a lot and getting its reload timer reset.

Walt Hmm, not sure how I feel about this. I suspect it would lead to it firing under-powered most of the time, which probably isn't what the player wants?

Reduced energy consumption helped a lot with these issues, though I personally feel that the reload timer should be independent of the accelerators/launcher, even if the weapon requires all of them active to fire. Maybe count down the timer as long as just the loader is manned?

Walt Can you elaborate on what feels unintuitive? The whole reason I made the change was to make it more intuitive/natural.

In my mind, penetration damage/resistance is from the projectile smashing through fragile equipment and internal parts, not from breaking walls. That's just my opinion though, others might disagree.

Walt I'll think about this, though it'd be a big technical change to how damage and penetration is coded. Not going to do it for the next RC. Let's see how we like the buffed penetration damage first.

If you decide to do this, maybe replace the single railgun projectile with a blast of weaker, invisible shots? (visually it would look the same) That way the initial impact damage could "penetrate" without any coding changes.

Edit: I also like the range increase, though it hits the max very quickly.

Overall, railguns seem a lot closer to balanced. They're still on the low end of cost-effectiveness, but IMO not too much so, considering their other benefits. Not sure how the penetration feels yet.

SpaceCat

@SpaceCat But should "part specific targeting" not have a single shortcut.
Now it is shift&click for targeted ship and ctrl&click for non-targeted.

Walt Huh? I don't understand what you mean. It's ctrl+click if you aren't already attacking, and just click if are already attacking. Shift is not required.

OK shift is just for selecting multiple specific parts in a row and ctrl is for non-targeted-ship-specific-part-targeting (what a word!).
And ctrl&shift is for - hold on: "non-targeted-ship-multiple-specific-part-in a row-targeting". 😃

I just always pressed shift - my bad - my confusion.

Ty for the quick update.

Walt

RC2 is now available: https://forum.cosmoteer.net/d/5869-cosmoteer-release-candidate-0-14-1-rc2

jbox1

Walt Modding: Added PartTriggerProxy, PartToggleProxy, PartValueProxy, PartModeProxy, and PartAmmoProxy components. These components act as "proxies" to other components in other parts, thus allowing parts to interact with each other.

Wait... wait.. wait... wait...

I suddenly started thinking about things, and I need to ask how these proxies work, as I believe they would be extremely useful for something. Could I get some documentation at all?

Walt

Railguns have examples of AmmoProxy and TriggerProxy, and I can show more examples later.

Bubbet

Walt I'd be interested in more of those examples.

Walt

Bubbet The others work pretty much how you'd expect given the way PartTriggerProxy works:

MyToggleProxy
{
	Type = ToggleProxy
	PartLocation = [0, -1]
	PartCriteria // Optional
	{
		Category = railgun_power // Optional
		Rot = 0 // Optional
		Left = 0 // Optional
		Right = 2 // Optional
		Bottom = 0 // Optional
	}
	ComponentID = XXXXXX
	IsOnWhenNotConnected = true // Optional
}

MyValueProxy
{
	Type = ValueProxy
	PartLocation = [0, -1]
	PartCriteria // Optional
	{
		Category = railgun_power // Optional
		Rot = 0 // Optional
		Left = 0 // Optional
		Right = 2 // Optional
		Bottom = 0 // Optional
	}
	ComponentID = XXXXXX
	ValueWhenNotConnected = 0 // Optional
}

MyModeProxy
{
	Type = ModeProxy
	PartLocation = [0, -1]
	PartCriteria // Optional
	{
		Category = railgun_power // Optional
		Rot = 0 // Optional
		Left = 0 // Optional
		Right = 2 // Optional
		Bottom = 0 // Optional
	}
	ComponentID = XXXXXX
	ModeWhenNotConnected = 0 // Optional
}

Bubbet

Walt What are the part criteria stuff, doesn't seem to really make too much sense. And i'm assuming the part location works the same as part size?

Walt

Bubbet I actually didn't show quite all of the options for PartCriteria:

PartCriteria
{
	IDString = part_id // Optional, requires this specific part.
	Category = part_category // Optional, requires the connected part to be in this category.
	Rot = 0 // Optional, requires the connected part to have this rotation relative to our own part.
	Left = 0 // Optional, requires the connected part's left edge to be at this coordinate relative to our own part.
	Right = 0 // Optional, requires the connected part's right edge to be at this coordinate relative to our own part.
	Top = 0 // Optional, requires the connected part's top edge to be at this coordinate relative to our own part.
	Bottom = 0 // Optional, requires the connected part's bottom edge to be at this coordinate relative to our own part.
}

Any field you leave off it won't care about. So if you leave off Top, it won't care where the top edge of the connected part is.

EDIT:

Also, the Left, Right, Top, and Bottom values also accept ranges in the form of [min, max].

Bubbet

Walt Much more informative, thank you.
What is the "ValueWhenNotConnected = 0" for ammoproxys?

Walt

Bubbet What is the "ValueWhenNotConnected = 0" for ammoproxys?

When not connected the ammo proxy has 0 ammo.

Bubbet

Walt Seems to me like its acting as if it's always full instead of empty.

Walt

Bubbet Are you using it with AmmoSprites? I think it might not work well with AmmoSprites since when it's not connected to anything it doesn't know what the max ammo is, so it just assumes 0 for that as well.

Bubbet

Walt Yeah thats the thing making me think its full, also an ammo sum with a condition of containing ammo is also saying its on.