Cosmoteer Release Candidate 0.14.0_rc1

ClassicJam

SpaceCat Weight depends on gravity. Without gravity, there can be no weight. The thrust is actually moving mass.

SpaceCat

Weight depends on mass. Without mass there is no gravity. Thrust is the force applied into a direction.

Actually "weight" "mass" and "gravity" are so closely related thet there is none without the other.

ClassicJam

SpaceCat That's not true. Weight depends on gravity. Mass is always there. Mass is just how much space something takes up, not its weight. Weight is the pull of gravity on an object. Has nothing to do with mass. Please do get your facts straight. Please just look it up before saying anything else and making yourself look uneducated,

SpaceCat

ClassicJam

Gravity, or gravitation, is the mass-proportionate force of attraction among matter.
More mass = more gravity = more weight.

If you really found out how gravity works you are better then einstein - congrats!

will stop discuss this here

SpaceCat

ClassicJam So there is no gravity on other planets then LOL

you said:

ClassicJam Please just look it up before saying anything else and making yourself look uneducated,

exactly what you should do!

Jabenyezaa

Walt Now we just need 2 and 3 way variants for huge and larger thrusters...

ClassicJam

SpaceCat The rules you were speaking of apply to Earth, not the vacuum of space. In general, weight depends on gravity, Mass affects weight on Earth. But there is no weight in space. Just mass.

ClassicJam

SpaceCat I’m saying the vacuum of space. We don’t leave the vacuum of space in Cosmoteer. There is no gravity there, thus no weight.

Dalas120

ClassicJam SpaceCat
Mass is a property of objects. Gravity is a force generated by mass affecting all other objects with mass. Weight is the amount of the reactive force exerted on a body that keeps it in place.

A person standing on earth has weight because gravity pulls them down and electromagnetism pushes them up so they don't fall through the ground. A person on an accelerating spaceship has weight without gravity because the acceleration of the spaceship pulls them "down" and electromagnetism pushes them up. An person in orbit around the Earth has no weight because they are in constant free fall, with no repulsive force holding them in place.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight
Using definition #3 (the magnitude of the reaction force exerted on a body by mechanisms that keep it in place)

nop

https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/43196

ClassicJam

nop There is still no gravity in the vacuum. Not orbiting a planet closely, but in pure open vacuum. No gravity. No weight. There is mass though.

ClassicJam

Dalas120 That’s a good summary.

SpaceCat

ClassicJam Wrong!

Gravitation exists also between objects when there is vacuum "between" it.
Otherwise all the bodies in space would not orbit around each other.

TurboTwinky28

can we not argue about weight and mass? at least not here?

ClassicJam

TurboTwinky28 I was simply trying to tell Verania that there is not weight everywhere.

ClassicJam

SpaceCat Not enough to create the type of scenario you are proposing. There would be no drag in the vacuum of space, only thrust. Engine physics would work differently from on earth, and the ship would weigh nothing to very little depending on the circumstances. Regardless, weight is not universal.

Dalas120

SpaceCat Gravitation exists everywhere, but weight does not. Weight requires both an attractive and repulsive force. For example, passengers on an airplane in free fall experience "weightlessness" even though they're very near earth. The passengers are pulled down by gravity, but nothing pushes them up, so they don't feel weight.

This is using a specific definition of weight. "Weight" is not a precise term and has several disputed definitions among the scientific community

nop Probably something to do with time dialation 🙂

ClassicJam Who says it's vacuum? Maybe that's why ships have "drag" - it's actually air. ***illuminati music***

nop

Now explain why there is "drag" in Cosmoteer 😎

ClassicJam

nop Explain why crew can survive in the vacuum without suits in Cosmoteer.

SpaceCat

If you find a place in space where gravitation does not apply that might be maybe inside a blackhole.
But science does not know it!

@nop because it is digital space and walt the god of digital gravity chose that there has to be drag. 😛

Actually a highly philosophical question!

ClassicJam

SpaceCat Well, at least we had a fun debate.

ClassicJam

Dalas120 Well, you never know with Cosmoteer logic.

SpaceCat

Gravity pulls on you!

Dalas120 "Weight" is not a precise term and has several disputed definitions among the scientific community

Thank you!