for the lulz
The first true carrier capable of rebuilding 6 fighters!
Teg Yeah, ions and lasers still needs tweaking. Those are just RP interceptors that I've been working on to counter ions and misc. Here are a couple of interceptors that can catch missile kites, but it seems like there are some issues with AI still as even though they have a lot more thrust, they are not getting close enough for my liking.
They win most of the time, barring lucky missile strikes. Also, explosions work funny at these kind of speeds and fires rarely occur.
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Also, there actually are not too many reactors. If you look closely at the doors and their placement, you will notice how many sections are purposefully blocked off. This is because I've noticed that sometimes the crew will travel too far away from their home bed, especially on big ships, and will therefore be too far away to deal with the current problems. The compartment making means the crew stay close to their home beds, increasing productivity by a good margin. Each small section of the ship is capable of running on its own, meaning the whole ship will go down fighting.
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xPLAYn As you mentioned yourself, I'm pretty good at building ships and I'm saying you have way too many reactors because you do. This ship can destroy your super destroyer so easily (without "super armor") because of your reactor count and placement.
Yes, I noticed that you have modules (blocked off areas). The 2nd ship I built had modules, I use them very effectively in almost all my builds. I mentioned the techniques I use to balance them efficiently to improve ship design. If you look at this module, you'll notice crew and energy usage are well balanced and the reactor is protected and far enough away from each other to prevent chain explosions.
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dieaready This is what I don't get, why should we have to build dedicated interceptors that are totally useless for everything else except stopping one type of ship? My missile kiter is still going to be useful whatever it fights.
Just think of tournaments, it will just be rock paper scissors every match, interceptor beats kiter, kiter beats normal ship, normal ship beats interceptor. It will make for a terrible game. Make a mod to have your own version if you'd like, but imo the current balance is toxic for the game.
Edit: I just had a thought, what about dramatically increasing missile component weight to stop kiters?
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ahem. let me present a ship who isnt a missile spammer and are a carrier.
the exelerator.
this ship has its fleet inside itself. unlucky this carrier isnt well protected so launch the drones fast. but the carrier is a beast in firepower. it destroys the cerberus almost instantly. but it has a weak point there its no shields. its good that the fighters are inside so you could just use the carrier. one thing is that if you use this with battlehelper. ensure to take away the structure on the bottom and the structure who hold the fighters to the ship. then if you use it in battlehelper. the fighters are often coming in the end of the battle to destroy the last parts of the ship and the fighters can get stuck in the carrier. with this carrier. you can protect the fighters inside while fighting outside.
sry if this report got long. i must get everything about it in here.
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Teg It isn't my game, it is Walt's, and he also thought that missiles were near useless before so he changed it. The whole point of Cosmoteer is to build many different types of ships, and now actually making interceptor type craft needed means now we need to build 1 more type of ship. IMO it is meant to be the whole rock-paper-scissors challenge instead of just building 1 or 2 types of ships and then calling it quits there since they are the most optimal. Missile kites were already untouchable before, now they are able to actually do damage rather than just running away. Tournaments will not be any more about who can build the best cannon wall or the best kite, and now maybe we'll see a lot more variety in the tournaments.
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so, been having issues with the "core ship" not being kept as the core after the split, but i think i have it figured it out..
first off, what the core ship is when you build and what it is after you spawn from your library after saving is differant.
here is two ship designs, one of which finally always has the mother ship as the "core" after the minis are launched.
this one always has the top left child become the "core" after the split instead of the mothership.
This one the children are never considered the "core" after the split anytime i spawn it in from the Library.
the difference is that i added a cockpit to the top corner of the mothership, i added it there when i noticed that it was always the top left most ship in any of my swarm builds that seemed to be the core..
it can be gathered that the "core" is considered any part connected to the top left most cockpit.
replacing the same tile with anything else does not alter which ship becomes the "core" however adding the cockpit to that corner changes which becomes the core.
i dont know if this is the for sure reality of how the "core" gets determined, but for me it does seem that where the top left most cockpit is located will be considered where the core of the entire build is when enough damage is done.
to further test the concept i did this build
once i save the build, and spawned a new one of it in, the tiny ship that separates on the absolute top left becomes the "core".
when you build a craft, this is initally the first cockpit you place. when you save and then spawn a build in from the library, this top left rule seems to apply..
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actually i can just have the escape pod up there and as long as i dont eject it, it stays as one peice with the rest of the mothership untill i eject it... i can build upside down if i want the pod to be near the back after all!
ya tho i am going to make that suggestion.
Edit https://forum.cosmoteer.net/d/2321-set-a-cockpit-as-primary
i used the Pac-Man swarm as a example in the summary of the mechanics as current brief.
i have a lot of fun with it.
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with the info found in https://forum.cosmoteer.net/d/2316-the-making-of-a-carrier-ship
i was able to further determine the exact order of the scan. Top left to bottom right.
it scans in rows from top to bottom in order left to right.
to test this, i added a cockpit to the absolute left most part of the pac man swarm, save and spawned it back in.
as you can see it worked, and made the bottom left most pac man the control. we could use that to define a "escape pod" if we wanted to for now.
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idk if you saw it yet, but i figured the exact order of scan when a ship is spawned in that determines the core cockpit.
it scans in top to bottom rows, in sequence from left to right.
if two cockpits are in the same vertical row, the higher one gets priority.
so this,
will become this
even if they are slighly overlapping, the more left one still wins
this could be used to ensure the escape pod is always at the bottom, no need to build upside down. just make sure the cockpit of the pod is farther to the left than the rest of them.
if two cockpits are in the same vertical row, the higher one gets priority
so with
you get
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ok i think i have gone a bit overboard with the testing to narrow this down. =P
i love to have carriers in game i have my selv try it was well whit kinda succes
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creeperindustry tough my second design was kinda build to launch a whole fleet at once reason why it has so many different type of ships on it
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Built some carrier modules for people to try out or add to their own ships:
Escape pod (make sure the Command Room in the escape pod is the furthermost on the left) This can be used to flee lost battles and if positioned correctly can rebuild the entire ship it was attached to. It uses corridor instead of substructure so you can still double click to select all without triggering the escape pod. Self destruct the corridor in the same way.
Here is my new Quick Loading Disposable Fighter QLDF for short. A throwaway flanking fighter. Remember to sell it if there anything left. They have a short shelf life so use them up quickly.
And here is a bay for my Fire Ants, you can keep spawning them even if you're in debt or just use them to mop up smaller systems. They are pretty effective in a swarm.
This is a missile kiter bay, the ship can solo Cerberus
Enjoy!
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Here's my "Super Carrier" made of my mods and ships:
The full compliment is:
1x Gunwall class destroyer
2x QLDFs Flanking fighters
1x Fire Ant Scout Swarmer
1x Missile OP kiter ship
1x Escape Pod capable of rebuilding the entire carrier.
While I realize this ship is mostly pointless, it showcases some cool mechanics. If Walt only allows ship purchases at stations but keeps field repairs carriers might have a real use.
Teg lol teg ima build a carrier soon but i keep being lazy and not doing so lol and i really like your carriers.