Building Academy

VarroWayland

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More of my designs.

Hatter

I expect very few people to respond to this after -
*checks watch*
- two months. Geeze.
VarroWayland Your designs are fairly solid, but for some reason you don't use engine rooms. You have lots of internal armor which doesn't do much good if the weapons are destroyed.
Looking at the Trident, this bit right here has bad energy supply. The front is poorly armored, having essentially only two shields and pieces of corridor for protection. The side missile launchers have poor reload, and the ions have inefficient combination. You have a lot of PD on your ships that's going to be very crew-intensive to keep supplied. Also, the Trilobyte's EMP launcher has the crew trudge through quarters or energy supply to reload it.

Try sending your Trident Mk4 against one of these in an AI vs AI fight:

I_Am_Jarvis Your reactors chain, the Rook has no way to power some ammo factories and has an unnecessary amount of reactors, ammo factories. and FTL drives. The Rook's primary defense only applies to ships in front of it. The flaks have trouble piercing shields and are out ranged by every other weapon on a rather slow ship. Try fighting two of these with the Rook, AI vs AI fight.

Your Harbinger has unnecessary reactors, gratuitous use of conveyers, and exposed shields. Fight one of these AI vs AI. with it.

Minty_Kee2 You have a torpido (sic) factory routed through a shield generator, poor energy management (those lancers do not need a plasma generator to themselves, that's 2.5 excess power right there), you have enough factories to sustain 2 macro cannons, but a whole lot more macro cannons then that. Rear plasma generators are only protected by a shield. Also, no fire extinguishers. At all. the entire ship burns to death. Since you have changed accounts and have a modded ship, fight nothing.

newageofpower

@Danwood I (finally) built a new supercap. Probably went too far in making it lightweight (sub10-kiloton for a gridmax build) but willing to test it out. Ping me on discord when ready.

damkiller

It's still alive
Well I gonna resign the teacher role
Also seems it's slowy dying

Dalek

Oof, I could probably NEVER send an application and get it accepted, good luck to the people that got in!

Hatter

Dalek I'm not sure that you have the right thread ?

Astrum

Hatter I think he was referring to those who once submitted "applications" to become teachers on the this thread.

But since Alpha hasn't been active in a while, it's rather pointless.

CursedPh4nt0m

Astrum It's sadly not only about Alpha. With you and Damkiller gone before, Oneye and kieffer taking care of their own stuff and finally me getting to a new activity low of about once per week, Hatter was the only one to struggle to keep this alive. I'm trying to be more active, but for the sake of this place I'd like you to help out a bit again too.

Super_Mapper Hatter I'm occasionally doing modded designs too, but Hatters right in this case. WH40K is anything but balanced as is, so you'd be better off just improving your general building skills and applying those to your modded designs.
(On another note, this place isn't purely for MP, we actually started it to help people with the Galaxy in Flames mod.
Which used to be one of the most difficult bounty hunter mod(e)s we had, assuming it died off before your time.)

Super_Mapper

I have come to learn modded! Here is one of my ships:

Needs:
WH40K
Kroom's forge

Starship utilities is only used for the hangars.

damkiller

Super_Mapper We don't accept modded ships olny vanilla

Hatter

Super_Mapper Given this is a thread based around the combat effectiveness of ships, modded ships are outside its scope. Mods occasionally are less-then-ideally balanced and often terribly balanced. Furthermore, modded competitive multiplayer isn't a thing and if you can successfully spawn in a 35 million ship in bounty hunter, you've already proven you no longer need or are playing with raised starting money. There is no reason to worry about the combat capability when this ship will only see combat in creative.

If you want to learn modded, start with learning vanilla. The same principles are applicable while being less complicated and better balanced.

That being said, try to beat the Hansel while being cheaper then it if you want a challenge.

Altraxia

Another similar avatar conversation. Well not really a conversation

Hatter

Weakpoint
Quoting myself from ten days ago:
Hatter

Given this is a thread based around the combat effectiveness of ships, modded ships are outside its scope. Mods occasionally are less-then-ideally balanced and often terribly balanced. Furthermore, modded competitive multiplayer isn't a thing and if you can successfully spawn in a 35 million ship in bounty hunter, you've already proven you no longer need or are playing with raised starting money. There is no reason to worry about the combat capability when this ship will only see combat in creative.

If you want to learn modded, start with learning vanilla. The same principles are applicable while being less complicated and better balanced.

This is a thread to evaluate the effectiveness of ships, which is difficult with modded ships due to the lack of both balance and depth of knowledge. There are, in comparison to the vanilla competitive scene, very few people fighting modded ships seriously. There's not any advice we can give you and the fundamentals of shipbuilding are more easily learnt in unmodded gameplay.

Looking at it, thrust seems low and excessive amount of corridor spaces everything further apart then it needs to be and the factories are too far away to effectively supply anything. Side cannons seem largely irrelevant. Upper missiles will have trouble not hitting the ship.

Hatter

Dystopian-Fleet-Admiral
Modding isn't covered in this thread due to breaking game balance.

Hatter

Given this is a thread based around the combat effectiveness of ships, modded ships are outside its scope. Mods occasionally are less-then-ideally balanced and often terribly balanced. Furthermore, modded competitive multiplayer isn't a thing and if you can successfully spawn in a 35 million ship in bounty hunter, you've already proven you no longer need or are playing with raised starting money. There is no reason to worry about the combat capability when this ship will only see combat in creative.

If you want to learn modded, start with learning vanilla. The same principles are applicable while being less complicated and better balanced.
That being said, don't cluster reactors. Especially not around the command room / bridge.

Astrum

CursedPh4nt0m Certainly! I will most definitely help when I’m most available to do so.

Can’t say my skills are anywhere as good as they were since my break, but they should be more than sufficient for any newer players.

CursedPh4nt0m

Astrum Well, I never was up to date anyway and I've committed quite some rather inefficient ships later too, so no worries. Heard the factory ratios changed again tho, so we'll have to look into that.
(Also still can't get myself to use anything but small reactors or not compartmentalise my ships, so you might even have an egde on me.)

Astrum

CursedPh4nt0m To be honest, I haven’t done much of anything with the newer reactors, not have I completely shedded the usage of compartments (though they tend to be larger and utilize more crew assignment roles).

I suppose we’ll both have to learn!

damkiller

it's hard trying make place alive, most newbies ships in this place are very low quality it's hard to focus on what things ship need to inprove also It's hard to tell in text what is wrong without making a wall of text
Astrum Oh you back that's really nice , I back bit earlier to cosmotter (but to forum in this week) so I know the today meta

YAreyaREdAzE

I had an idea to make a high energy density laser.

Hatter

YAreyaREdAzE
You only have two fire extingushers for the entire ship, and they're not even in big compartments.
You can run 32 ions off of 3 large reactors. (12.5 * 32 = 40 energy / sec compared to 13.5 * 3 = 40.5 energy /sec). Also, due to the fact that a storage breaks down large reactor batteries (worth three regular batteries) into regular batteries, it is more efficient to power directly from the reactor, because one crew member with a large reactor battery carries the energy of three crew members with regular batteries. Also, use walkways where applicable.
You have unecessary corridor, especially on the back end. Can also consolidate reactors and use walkways to distribute power. On the bright side, your missile factories are adjacent.

All of these small reactors can be consolidated.
Also, your front flaks do no need two small reactors. The amm factories and the shields can run off of one. Try to put as many shields as possible adjacent to reactors for quicker regeneration. EMP launcher should be directly connected to factory. [upl-image-preview
Fight this, after detonating the explosive charge (hotkey 1).

Edit: Use engine rooms.
Double edit: You have unnecessary prisms. Try rearranging your prisms instead of using a prism to redirect a single beam if at all possible.

YAreyaREdAzE

so, combine compartments?

CryptoSpades

Alpha
I would like to join this academy as I am a long time player of Cosmoteer since 2017. My newest ship Class, the Spear Head (Im not good with names) is one that I have put some time into testing and designing. It is primarily Broadside, but it is still a hella good ship.

It's not the best yet, as ive stated before it is brand new, but I plan to start working on its major flaws in later versions of the ship, and over the last day i fixed its biggest flaw which was armor.

The ship has interior shield generators that act as a regenerative armor. The common armor at most is 3-5 blocks thick but usually only 1-2 thick.

The ship is meant to be a Super Destroyer, so basically an exotic cruiser.

If you have any suggestions please tell me and I hope I can join the team!

Big edit on a better description for its job, it is primarly a destroyer so its purpose is to severely damage, if not completely destroy, a battle ship while also being capable of taking out other cruisers, destroyers, frigates, and corvettes.

Hatter

CryptoSpades Alpha last visited the forum July '19. You will waiting for a rather long while if you want them to reply. Looking at your ship, go look at 0neye's guide in the guides section under shipbuilding.
Then redistribute your reactors across the entire ship, move factories as close as possible to their consumers, get actual thrust and put more thrusters per engine room, cut down on excess crew, power, and ammo factories, move your command rooms out of the reactor blast radius and further apart, and bury your flaks more. As a challenge, fight this on AI vs AI.

Edit: By the way, ship files aren't loadable from Imgur. The site destroys the metadata that's the actual ship. Try using the 'attach' button in the post editor.
Double Edit: Also, your reactors chain-detonate if one of them is destroyed.
Triple Edit: Fixed smallest railguns. They can actually be powered now.