Community Mod Rebalance Mod

jbox1

Ever thought a mod was OP? We all have. Well, seeing as we are making a new sub-roleplaying universe, I didn't want to leave mods out entirely. The issue is that mods are very OP. How do we solve that? The answer: Another mod. My goal is to make a new mod which rebalances other mods, taking community feedback and ideas to achieve it.

Alpha

jbox1 But, you would have to apply changes to every mod, and every time a mod updates you would also have to update the rebalanced version. However, I agree that new factions shouldn't have access to OP weapons from the beginning.

Ultranova

Kroom Well, I originally thought this, but the more I thought about it, the more it seemed likely that it would be an direct override to the values.

As for permission, this one sentence has been bugging me for a while:

jbox1 My goal is to make a new mod which rebalances other mods, taking community feedback and ideas to achieve it.

No where does it talk about the original creator of the mod, or gaining permission. Instead, it talks about the community giving feedback and ideas on how to balance these mods.

Lafiel

Alpha Stats usually don't change from version to version. So changes are minor. Most of the time it will be about new added parts. This time the new explosion mechanic changes damage, fire, and impulse if they are combined.

Alpha

Lafiel That's pretty much what I meant, since most mods gradually add new weapons. Changing a couple numbers would be the easy part.

Namek

But, you also need permission to do so, and I know some wouldnt want that.

Some mods are ment to be powerful, and orhers like some edge on their stuff.

Kroom

I think is a good idea, for my part, i would like to have my mod balanced around vanilla.

Ultranova

Personally, I can see this being a good idea. However, there are some flaws in this idea.

The first one is obviously obtaining permission. Taking another persons mod and changing values to make it "less OP" will have issues. For example, the modder might not want anyone else to use their sprites for any mod, even if it is just a rebalanced version of it. Or they might not want their code being messed with, or their reputation ruined because someone else had to balance their mod.

The second issue is that parts might be powerful for a reason. There are a lot of futuristic mods out there and it's not a bad assumption that weapons, shields or armour from the future would be more powerful. Of course, there are individual parts that are OP, but I think in this case it's better to suggest balancing changes directly to the mod creator, either by telling them why the part is OP and how to fix it or giving them a modified file.

Kroom

Ultranova I think he means a mod that will just overwrite values from other mods, without touching the values in those mods directly nor the sprites or anything else.

Kroom

Ultranova I took for granted that Jbox1 was going to ask for permission and as you wrote

Ultranova Taking another persons mod and changing values

and

Ultranova the modder might not want anyone else to use their sprites for any mod

i misunderstood that you thought that mods will be modified directly.

I also think that if a modder does not want a part to be less powerful, maybe the balance could be obtained by modifying the cost of the part.

Jared

Kroom
Yea but some weapons may be intentionally op due to lore, and some people may just not want there mod to be changed what so ever,

Ultranova

Kroom It could be seen as an insult to mod creators for a mod add-on to exist without their permission and makes changes to their weapons because people view it as OP. Like Jared said,

Jared some weapons may be intentionally op due to lore

Balancing should be done willingly and with the knowledge that having this weapon be balanced is intended.

Kroom

Jared Ultranova I'm not saying that he doesn't need to obtaining permission, i'm just saying that mods will not be modified directly.

Jared

Kroom
Yea we however the main issue is getting permission

Ultranova

Kroom I've gathered that, but you don't seem to be getting my point.

Stormi_chan

You can take my Workshops mods(or some parts of them) and add it here and rebalance them... I would love to see it happen. 😘

CaptainRedstone

Kroom Ultranova I would just like to point out that as of right now, mods have severe problems trying to edit each other. You would basically have to release a balanced version of X mod, because doing a true balance addon would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible

Lafiel

I have a suggestion that would make it very easy to change every mod.
This can be done by having all mods use the same community buffs for range and weapons power (and using the same math like multiply: this might be troublesome with some weapon's design). This way the only thing necessary to do is insert custom buff providers with custom value to the target parts.
I suggest a naming convention for community mod parameters, too, something like : CoMo.ImprovedRange

CaptainRedstone

Lafiel So basically a UniDict mod. I always thought that a UniDict mod would be great for ammunition types...

changerboy

Lafiel I think the idea with a specific name for certain buffs is very good. But believe that you can not always apply it so well.

Lafiel

CaptainRedstone Yes, I have been saying this for virtually all things ... we need standards. Frankly, a lot more is needed just for this "mod" alone let alone mechanics changing mods.

changerboy That's why I mentioned "multiply" and that why each part still need their specific self-buff provider with specific values. Can't get around this issue anyway with or without this system.