Missile Prototype 1

Lafiel

Walt Perhaps if fire killed crew more quickly?

I would prefer a different kind of intense fire. Normal fire is living of burnable stuff but incendiary is a special "fuel" e.g. phosphorous / napalm / magnesium etc.

clojelo Actually, all weapons require a fire solution whether they have AI or not because it saves fuel, increases range and helps with accuracy etc.

slowking

I have an error I pressed the Fire ecm and my game crashed if you would like the log its under this post

slowking

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

at Cosmoteer.Bullets.Death.BulletDeathByTargetProximity.FixedUpdate(FixedUpdater fixedUpdater, SceneRoot root) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Bullets\Death\BulletDeathByTargetProximity.cs:line 41

at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneComponent.Halfling.Scene.Dim2.IFixedUpdateableSceneObject.FixedUpdate(FixedUpdater fixedUpdater, SceneRoot root) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneComponent.cs:line 867

at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.FixedUpdateForBucket(Int32 bucket) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:line 1064

at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.FixedUpdateForBucket(Int32 bucket) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 982

at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.FixedUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:line 1024

at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.FixedUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 957

at Halfling.Timing.FixedUpdater.Update(Time deltaTime, Action action) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Timing\FixedUpdater.cs:line 110

at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.DoFixedUpdates() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 922

at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.Update() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:line 697

at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.Update() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 592

at Cosmoteer.Game.GameRoot.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Game\GameRoot.cs:line 1196

at Halfling.Application.AppStateEx.Halfling.Application.IAppState.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\AppStateEx.cs:line 210

at Halfling.Application.Director.CallUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:line 919

at Halfling.Application.Director.DoUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:line 803

at Halfling.Application.Director.<GetRunIterator>d__83.MoveNext() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:line 334

at Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.<ApplicationMainIterator>d__48.MoveNext() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:line 279

at Halfling.Windows.D3D11.D3D11Window.RunGameLoop(String[] args, IEnumerable`1 iterator) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingPlatformWDX\Windows\D3D11\D3D11Window.cs:line 890

at Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.ApplicationMain(String[] args) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:line 193

at Cosmoteer.GameApp.Main(String[] args) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\GameApp.cs:line 144

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Logging successful initialized.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | .NET Runtime Version: 4.0.30319.42000

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Running as a 64-bit process.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Local: en-GB

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Language: en-GB

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Cosmoteer version missile_prototype1

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 10.0.17134

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-6100 CPU @ 3.70GHz (4 logical processors)

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | 8082.1 MB RAM

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (22.20.16.4708) (16/06/2017)

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | 1024.0 MB VRAM

09/23/2018 10:05:39 |

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Loaded app settings.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Mixpanel Distinct ID: 47654EAD6B91FA58F4A19853DBDAA191

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Process is now DPI-aware.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Setup default cursor.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Using display adapter 0

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created DXGI factory.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Adapter #0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Output #0: 2470W1 (1920x1080)

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Output #1: 2470W1 (1920x1080)

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Adapter #1: Microsoft Basic Render Driver

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Updated Windows form configuration for resizable windowed.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created Windows form.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Direct3D Feature Level: Level_11_0

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created Direct3D 11 Device.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created swap chain: 1920x1017.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created window.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created clock.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created graphics manager.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created XAudio2 device.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created audio manager.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created input manager.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Created default font.

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Initial app state is 'MainMenu'

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Initial application settings:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | LastGameVersion:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | InitState: MainMenu

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | Language:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | LockCursor: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EdgePanMode: Analog

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EdgePanSpeed: 15

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | KeyboardPanSpeed: 15

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | KeyboardZoomSpeed: 10

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | KeyboardRotSpeed: 90°

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EnableMouseWheelZoom: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | InvertMouseWheelZoom: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MouseWheelZoomSpeed: 1.12

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MouseWheelZoomAtCursor: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | StickyFocus: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DpiScaleMode: Dpi100

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AnimateBackgrounds: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | FancyParticles: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | UncompressedTextures: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AllowShipDeselection: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | CtrlSelectsParts: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EnableCollisionAvoidance: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PreferBlueprintMode: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BlueprintAutoPause: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowInvalidBlueprints: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildAutoFocus: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildAutoRotate: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildAutoInteriors: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PaintAutoFocus: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PaintAutoRotate: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PaintAllowOverwrite: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PaintMirrorEnabled: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PaintMirrorAxis: Vertical

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | RepairAutoFocus: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | RepairAutoRotate: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildAllowOverwrite: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildAutoDoors: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildEnforceCrewAccess: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildMirrorEnabled: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BuildMirrorAxis: Vertical

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | RowsOfParts: 1

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | GrabLeavesCorridors: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | RepairAutoDoors: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AutoHireCrew: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PartToolTips: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AutoSave: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AutoSavesToKeep: 10

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | QuickSavesToKeep: 10

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AutoSaveInterval: 600

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | SaveLostShips: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | LostShipsTokeep: 10

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | FtlAutoSave: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowOnShipIndicators: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowZoomedOutBlibs: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowOffScreenBlips: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PingNearbyEnemies: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AutoPauseOnLostFocus: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ScreenShake: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowMidpointFocusWidget: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | VersionCheckMode: Stable

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EnableMetrics: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PreferBorderlessWindowToggle: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MasterVolume: 1

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EffectsVolume: 1

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | InterfaceVolume: 1

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowTutorials: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AutoFtlJump: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PaintSchemes: System.Collections.Generic.List`1[Cosmoteer.Ships.PaintScheme]

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultBuildTool: Grab

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultDecalTool: Grab

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | TutorialPageStates: System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,Cosmoteer.Tutorials.TutorialPageState]

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PlayerColor:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EnemyColor:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | NeutralColor:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MiniviewInCombatMode: Auto

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MiniviewNotInCombatMode: Auto

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MiniviewLockRotation: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MiniviewSize:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowInteriors: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AlwaysShowCommandWidgets: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PreferShipRelativeAttackAngle: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PreferWorldRelativeFollowAngle: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShipLibraryLargeIcons: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AdHocFormations: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | BreakFormationToAttack: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DisplayAllShips: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowAdvancedCommands: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | EnabledMods: System.Collections.Generic.HashSet`1[System.String]

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DeleteFileOnStartup:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultGameMode:

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultCreativeModeMapSize: 0

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultBountyModeDifficulty: 0

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultBountyModeMapSize: 0

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultBountyModeStarterShip: 0

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MPShipColorMode: RandomPerPlayer

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MPBlipColorMode: FriendAndFoe

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | MPShowDamagePoints: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | CustomRulesets: System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[System.String,System.Collections.Generic.List1[Cosmoteer.CustomRuleset]]

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | AutoPortForwarding: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DisplayPublicIP: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | PreferLAN: False

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | DefaultServer: 0

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowNewsOnStartup: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ReadNewsArticles: System.Collections.Generic.HashSet`1[System.String]

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | ShowNewsAlerts: True

09/23/2018 10:05:39 | HiddenNewsAlerts: System.Collections.Generic.HashSet`1[System.String]

09/23/2018 10:05:40 | Starting main game loop...

09/23/2018 10:05:40 | Enabled mods:

09/23/2018 10:05:40 | Loaded language 'en'.

09/23/2018 10:05:45 | Loaded game rules.

09/23/2018 10:07:19 | Game pushed onto stack.

09/23/2018 10:07:19 | Game mode is: CreativeGameModeManager

09/23/2018 10:07:33 | Loaded game named 'Test plaza'.

09/23/2018 10:07:33 | Game popped off stack.

09/23/2018 10:07:33 | Game pushed onto stack.

09/23/2018 10:07:33 | Game mode is: CreativeGameModeManager

09/23/2018 10:17:38 | Saved game as "Auto-Save 2018-09-23_10-17-38".

09/23/2018 10:19:08 | Saved game as "Quick-Save 2018-09-23_10-19-08".

09/23/2018 10:19:12 | Saved game as "Quick-Save 2018-09-23_10-19-11".

09/23/2018 10:19:12 | Saved game as "Quick-Save 2018-09-23_10-19-12".

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | Memory usage at time of crash: 1,132,113,920

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | Application state stack at time of crash:

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | Cosmoteer.Game.GameRoot

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | Cosmoteer.Gui.TitleScreen

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | FPS at time of crash: 45.6236

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | Running processes at time of crash: AppleIEDAV, ApplePhotoStreams, ApplicationFrameHost, APSDaemon, audiodg, browser_broker, Cosmoteer, csrss, ctfmon, dasHost, dllhost, dwm, egui, ekrn, eOPPFrame, explorer, fontdrvhost, GoogleCrashHandler, GoogleCrashHandler64, HPJumpStartBridge, HPJumpStartLaunch, HPNotifications, hpqwmiex, HPSupportSolutionsFrameworkService, HxCalendarAppImm, HxOutlook, HxTsr, iCloudDrive, iCloudPhotos, iCloudServices, Idle, igfxCUIService, igfxEM, IntelCpHDCPSvc, IntelCpHeciSvc, jhi_service, LMS, LockApp, lsass, McAfee Safe Connect, mDNSResponder, Memory Compression, MicrosoftEdge, MicrosoftEdgeCP, MSASCuiL, OfficeClickToRun, OfficeHubTaskHost, OneDrive, ONENOTEM, Overwolf, OverwolfBrowser, OverwolfHelper, OverwolfHelper64, PresentationFontCache, Registry, RtkNGUI64, RuntimeBroker, SearchFilterHost, SearchIndexer, SearchProtocolHost, SearchUI, secd, SecurityHealthService, services, SettingSyncHost, SgrmBroker, ShellExperienceHost, sihost, SkypeHost, smss, spoolsv, SSScheduler, Steam, SteamService, steamwebhelper, svchost, System, SystemSettings, taskhostw, unsecapp, Video.UI, wininit, winlogon, WinStore.App, WmiPrvSE,

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Cosmoteer.Bullets.Death.BulletDeathByTargetProximity.FixedUpdate(FixedUpdater fixedUpdater, SceneRoot root) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Bullets\Death\BulletDeathByTargetProximity.cs:line 41

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneComponent.Halfling.Scene.Dim2.IFixedUpdateableSceneObject.FixedUpdate(FixedUpdater fixedUpdater, SceneRoot root) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneComponent.cs:line 867

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.FixedUpdateForBucket(Int32 bucket) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:line 1064

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.FixedUpdateForBucket(Int32 bucket) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 982

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.FixedUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:line 1024

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.FixedUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 957

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Timing.FixedUpdater.Update(Time deltaTime, Action action) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Timing\FixedUpdater.cs:line 110

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.DoFixedUpdates() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 922

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Scene.Dim2.SceneRoot.Update() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Scene\Dim2\SceneRoot.cs:line 697

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Cosmoteer.Simulation.SimRoot.Update() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Simulation\SimRoot.cs:line 592

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Cosmoteer.Game.GameRoot.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\Game\GameRoot.cs:line 1196

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Application.AppStateEx.Halfling.Application.IAppState.Update(StateMethodInvoker updateParent) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\AppStateEx.cs:line 210

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Application.Director.CallUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:line 919

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Application.Director.DoUpdate() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:line 803

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Application.Director.<GetRunIterator>d__83.MoveNext() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Director.cs:line 334

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.<ApplicationMainIterator>d__48.MoveNext() in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:line 279

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Windows.D3D11.D3D11Window.RunGameLoop(String[] args, IEnumerable`1 iterator) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingPlatformWDX\Windows\D3D11\D3D11Window.cs:line 890

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Halfling.Application.Bases.GenericApp.ApplicationMain(String[] args) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Halfling\HalflingCore\Application\Bases\GenericApp.cs:line 193

09/23/2018 10:21:36 | at Cosmoteer.GameApp.Main(String[] args) in C:\Users\Walt\Documents\Code\Cosmoteer\Source\GameApp.cs:line 144

09/23/2018 10:21:38 | Actual data hash: 2aabae5451c227009babd0e4af4f4b58

09/23/2018 10:21:38 | Expected data hash: 2aabae5451c227009babd0e4af4f4b58

09/23/2018 10:21:39 | Error successfully reported. Thank you!

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Director received exit call.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed default font.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed XA2AudioManager device.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed audio manager.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed clock.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed input manager.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed graphics manager.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed swap chain.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed Direct3D device.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed DXGI factory.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Closed Windows form.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Director received exit call.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed window.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Disposed platform interface.

09/23/2018 10:21:40 | Closing log output file...

changerboy

Walt Incendiary: Must be a bit stronger, now they are only there but I do not think they would be much used.

E.M.P. : I think they are good against shields, but they are very good for that.

Cluster: Great fun, they are just good.

Dumbfire: Do a lot of damage, but are a bit too fast.

Decoy: Clusters are just better.

Interceptor: Must be faster, because they actually just fly behind. Maybe one hit other missiles.

Electronic Countermeasure: I love you. But I do not think that it's very easy to start manually, and it makes little sense in my opinion.

New PD: Please return the old one now it is almost useless.

Dalas120

Walt The problem is that "torpedoes" are, traditionally, also homing, so I don't think that name adequately conveys the nature of the dumbfire missiles.

"Rockets"? "High-explosive rockets"?

Walt I've done this in some cases where it was pretty obvious, like dumbfire, decoy, and interceptor. Though maybe those changes aren't drastic enough (everything has the same range right now) and maybe there are other missile types that can also be tweaked.

Maybe it makes sense to wait until you narrow down which missile types will be implemented.

Walt Perhaps if fire killed crew more quickly?

Not sure what will work, but it's probably worth trying. Maybe boost everything about fire - faster crew kill, faster spread, and faster extinguishing?

(also, why do crew slow down in a fire-filled room? If my room was on fire you can bet I'd be moving quickly)

Walt I'm all for this, I just need to figure out how that would look when loaded inside a missile launcher. (I suppose I could add a different missile launcher for larger missiles, though I'd rather not.)

The missile exclusion zone is pretty big, so maybe something like this? (pardon the ugly art, but you get the idea)

image https://i.imgur.com/NhJuxU6.png

Walt Something I could do is change the energy drain to not falloff with range. This would make EMPs better vs shields (and internal parts) without making them significantly better at disabling non-shielded energy weapons. Alternatively, I could just buff the anti-shield damage a lot.

Walt I could change it to work like electro-bolts where is just drains a set amount of power, but then they wouldn't be sufficiently effective vs shields, unless I also gave them higher anti-shield damage, which I'm not thrilled about from a lore perspective, I'd prefer all their drain come from the EMP blast if possible.

My notes weren't very clear - I meant a fixed maximum drain per missile, similar to the damage pool effect on a railgun bullet. The damage pool would be applied radially from the explosion area, maybe with falloff. This is reasonably realistic, though probably not very intuitive.

So the algorithm for determining EMP damage would be something like this:
1) find the closest part storing energy within x radius of the EMP explosion epicenter
2) subtract energy from the explosion's "energy drain pool" and from the part's energy storage. Maybe further away parts reduce the "energy drain pool" faster than near parts?
3) stop subtracting if the part's current energy storage reaches 0, or if the "energy drain pool" reaches 0
4) repeat as long as the "energy drain pool" > 0 and there are still energy storing parts within x radius of the explosion epicenter

This would hopefully make EB more effective vs cannon ammo factories (where they were probably too weak) but less effective vs laser+EB (where they were probably too strong). And EMPs would still be very effective vs shields.

I also think that the power drain effect should be applied when the explosion hits a shield arc, like how EB work.

Walt I'm not sure how a space shotgun would be significantly different from the HE missiles, isn't that basically just an AOE effect? My intention for the cluster missiles is that they more accurate than the HE missiles, though maybe I should further increase their accuracy.

This seems very... odd to me, from a lore perspective. In real life, cluster bombs are used to blanket a huge area with AOE damage, while missiles and regular bombs are used for precise, targeted strikes against a specific target. Similarly, fragmentation grenades are used to clear a wide area with deadly shrapnel, while concussive/high explosive grenades are used for heavy damage in a small area.

I would have expected cluster bombs to deal moderate damage over a huge area (e.g. an entire ship side), as compared to high explosive missiles, which would be better at more precise, targeted damage on a specific ship section.

Walt

Dalas120 also, why do crew slow down in a fire-filled room? If my room was on fire you can bet I'd be moving quickly

I crew speed buff might be hilarious.

If I recall correctly, the original reason I made crew slow down is so that they would be more likely to die while walking through the fire. I don't really have a sense of whether that's actually a good thing or not, though.

Dalas120 The missile exclusion zone is pretty big, so maybe something like this? (pardon the ugly art, but you get the idea)

Your art is great! But I think I'd rather have the launcher transform its tubes into a single big tube. We can still have fun with cool missile shapes inside a big tube.

Dalas120 This would hopefully make EB more effective vs cannon ammo factories (where they were probably too weak) but less effective vs laser+EB (where they were probably too strong). And EMPs would still be very effective vs shields.

Are you suggesting giving EBs penetration so that they can hit factories?

Dalas120 I would have expected cluster bombs to deal moderate damage over a huge area (e.g. an entire ship side), as compared to high explosive missiles, which would be better at more precise, targeted damage on a specific ship section.

I tend to agree with this, though I'd probably have to make the existing HE missiles more precise than they currently are to sufficiently differentiate them from cluster missiles, if cluster missiles were more of an area bombardment.

Dalas120

Walt Are you suggesting giving EBs penetration so that they can hit factories?

Ooops, meant to say EMP missiles there, not EB.

EB right now are pretty useless vs both cannons and vs lasers - they're almost solely an anti-shield weapon.

EMP missiles, on the other hand, are relatively very strong vs laser+EB and relatively very weak vs cannons. So I think it makes sense to normalize their effectiveness a little bit.

Walt

Dalas120 I don't really understand how your proposal would make EMPs more effective vs factories and less effective vs lasers/EBs. Since they drain from the closest parts first, wouldn't that make EMPs extremely effective vs energy weapons and then only effective vs internal parts like factories once the weapons are drained?

Dalas120

Walt Right now since EMPs drain 50% w/ falloff from every part in an AOE, the more energy-using parts in an area, the more total energy gets drained. Thus EMPs drain more total power from laser+EB walls than they do from cannon walls - there are just more power-using parts on the laser+EB wall.

So current EMP - if I hit a laser+EB wall I'll partially drain a bunch of lasers and EB, maybe for 6000 power total. If I hit a cannon wall I"ll barely affect the deep-set ammo factories, maybe 500 power total. If I hit a shield directly I'll drain 3000 power and 6000 shield HP. I think that this makes them a relatively too effective vs laser+EB compared to basically useless vs cannons.

If EMP got fixed total power drain (let's say 3 batteries), the effect would be much more consistent. If my EMP hits a laser+EB wall, I'll drain 1.5 lasers of power. If it hits a cannon wall I'll drain 1.5 ammo factories. If it hits a shield I'll drain 6000 shield HP. So it's still very effective against lasers, because it can instantly shut down firepower (just not quite as much as before). But it would not longer be nearly useless against cannons.

Walt

Dalas120 A simpler (much more intuitive) way to make EMPs more effective vs factories would be to just remove their distance falloff. That wouldn't nerf their anti-laser/EB abilities, though their drain % can still be balanced.

Dalas120

Walt Here's an unusual idea: what if they got reverse falloff? So the EMP explosion and power drain would look like a big ring around the impact point. That would work perfectly for draining shields if the radius was large enough, and it would make EMPs effective vs internal factories without being too strong vs surface lasers

Edit: and that seems like the sort of unusual behavior you'd expect from an EMP

Walt

Dalas120 Here's an unusual idea: what if they got reverse falloff? So the EMP explosion and power drain would look like a big ring around the impact point. That would work perfectly for draining shields if the radius was large enough, and it would make EMPs effective vs internal factories without being too strong vs surface lasers

Yeah, that idea had occurred to me. It's probably pretty counter-intuitive though ultimately understandable once you know how it works. It's kind of weird in that it creates an "event horizon" distance at which you don't want to put energy-using parts, but closer or farther than that distance is fine.

Dalas120

Walt It's probably pretty counter-intuitive though ultimately understandable once you know how it works.

I think this would be mostly a graphics thing. If the explosion looks like a ring then it'll probably feel natural.

Walt It's kind of weird in that it creates an "event horizon" distance at which you don't want to put energy-using parts, but closer or farther than that distance is fine.

That's a good point. Though it might not be an issue depending on how rapidly EMP missiles fire and how sharp/shallow the falloff is. But it definitely might be weird.