Why Cosmoteer is Failing (In it's Current State.)

Tobi-wan_Kenobi

Cosmoteer isn't anywhere near finished. There will be a single player game mode that involves a campaign with resource collection, missions, etc.

This game is in extreme pre-alpha, and it's going to change a lot as time goes on. It's going to blow away those other games you mentioned.

Walt

MegaNikiGaming In bounty hunter mode you pick a ship and kill some other ships until you have enough money to be much stronger than everyone else and get bored, there is no storyline, purpose, reward, friendly ships, space empires, lore or any sense of immersion, all the things that make a good sci-fi game are lacking

See Trello. Singleplayer improvements coming.... eventually.

MegaNikiGaming ban innocent people rather than actually moderate.

I have never seen a moderator ban someone who I thought was innocent. If a moderator bans someone without reason, that person should submit a moderator complain form and I will look at it, I look at all moderator complaints. So far, I've never felt that a moderator's action was unjustified.

MegaNikiGaming Istrolid

You reminded me, I met the Istrolid dev the other day, we live in the same area. Nice guy, cool game, play it. 🙂

MegaNikiGaming they seem to be banning too many people

A pretty significant number of the bans are already-banned people using alt accounts.

MegaNikiGaming I would of course have no problem with the band if these weren't permbans.

Bans are only handed out after multiple warnings/suspensions. If an account is banned without warning, then it's either an alt account of someone already banned or they did something unusually awful.

Tobi-wan_Kenobi It's going to blow away those other games you mentioned.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. 🙂

Jenwuf

MegaNikiGaming
http://www.gimbalgame.com/

Cosmoteer in my opinion has far exceeded what its predecessors have achieved...
A community.
It could be described as toxic sometimes, but ill take that if it means the game has an actual community that will keep it alive longer than gimbal lasted.

ImNotLaffng

MegaNikiGaming At release Cosmoteer will have a lot more to show so I don't think we can judge that now in Alpha.

PewPew

MegaNikiGaming Without wanting to sound like a fanboy, what is the purpose of this thread? The development of the game is going on, I dont see any major obstacles to its progression for now and the game is far from over. It was enough to see the Trello, many things are planned. There is just waiting a little, I have been waiting for so much longer for other games. If you are already impatient now, when you are in an interesting phase of development, what will it be during the optimization updates that will arrive at one time or another?

As for moderators, I dont spend my time watching their every move but, they seem to me competent and friendly. I have nothing to reproach them for.

RedAndCosmoteer

Walt Offtopic: You met the Istrolid developer?
Reminds me, what has changed since i last played?

MegaNikiGaming Cosmoteer is a pre-alpha game so exactly none of the features listed are finished, and there are still many more features to come...
Endless sky? It isn't trying to be unique like cosmoteer is, where you can create ships using modules and make any design you like, and unlike Cosmoteer, it's basically a finished game whilst Cosmoteer is, like i said, not even close to finishing, and it will be no surprise if Cosmoteer surpasses that game in the end.
And, as many others have said, let me link you to the Trello Roadmap, which contains every single feature that Cosmoteer is going to have.

nop

I'll take the bait!

MegaNikiGaming Istrolid

A big difference is that Cosmoteer is trying to be a commercial game with a solid community, and Istrolid isn't trying very hard to be either of these things. If they went further in the AI design direction (a thing that makes the game really unique) I might play it again, but it appears to be a low priority compared to developing the RTS game.

MegaNikiGaming Endless Sky

Cool game, but I'm playing Cosmoteer instead, even unfinished the multiplayer is more engaging to me.

There are other games to compare Cosmoteer to, but I'm playing it because it's better, not because it's free.

Oneye

MegaNikiGaming The only thing I have a comment on is the moderator section.

MegaNikiGaming IVIemories and yobeefjerky

I agree that @IVIemories is a good mod, although I don't really agree with you that yobeef is a very good mod. I will start by saying what makes a "good" moderator. A good moderator will run "errands" like posting announcements, they will seek out and warn/ban toxic people, and they will definitely not be toxic themselves.

I don't have anything against yobeef as a member of this community, but I don't really see him as being a good moderator for these reasons: He has never posted an announcement. He has never banned/ warned anyone (that I know of edit: oh, he actually may have banned one person yesterday). He does not patrol the #ask-walt channel on discord like pretty much every other mod does. And pretty much does no moderator-like things at all, it's like he's a normal member with a yellow name.

I don't know enough to tell if yobeef is a good mod or not (you decide), but I do know that it's a mods job to be the "tough" person sometimes, and if a mod isn't keeping the community safe and clean then I don't see why they are a mod.

Eapple

In terms of Cosmoteer's competitors that you mentioned, Cosmoteer is far different from those games in so many ways, that it takes 2 different people to enjoy them. On the surface, both are top-down 2D Sci-Fi spaceship-building combat games, but they play and feel very differently.

Cosmoteer, on a grander scale, is just more simplistic and appeals to a wider audience because of it, hell, I've even taught my 6 year-old brother how to play, and he's definitely having loads of fun with this game. It's so flexible so that whether you're a noob experimenting with ships, just some average guy doing battles in sandbox, or someone who takes the game more seriously and competitively, all of that can be achieved in cosmoteer easily, which is why competition isn't much of a concern.

TL;DR Cosmoteer is more different from its competition than it might seem at first, reaching a wider audience with more broad appeal, eliminating much of the threat of games that look like it on the surface. (Even though there aren't too many of those in the first place.)

Dibs

Seems like this thread was just another excuse for more unwarranted mod bashing. They are doing their job just fine from what I can see.

Kids these days and their "**** the poh-lees, I don't need no rules" attitudes. I blame the violent video games and that rap music 😛

Ultranova

Dibs "**** the poh-lees, I don't need no rules"

Heh, I'm gonna have SOOOO much fun with a Police Faction 😃

Also, I totally agree that the moderators are doing their best.

minimurgle

Dibs I think that's possible, but I'm go go ahead and believe he is genuinely trying to be helpful.

IVIemories

Dibs It's not a bad thing to receive criticism from time to time, and unlike Alfrak's recent incoherent rant there are some valid points which I want to address here:

No single player content - I completely agree with this, Cosmoteer was (and still is to an extent) fun for me because I like building spaceships and watching them come to life; however right now - apart from the multiplayer - Cosmoteer doesn't provide much more than that, if someone wants play Cosmoteer for some gameplay they'll be very disappointed. However I do think it's really premature to complain about it since Cosmoteer is still being developed and the Dev is very active. You wouldn't call a TV series bad just because the first episode doesn't have a very deep plot, so you shouldn't call Cosmoteer 'lacking gameplay' when the gameplay is in development.
Mods get pushed to obscurity - The short answer to this question is: When the game gets on steam we won't need to worry about it anymore. Currently though we are aware of this problem, and part of the reason for the master mod list is to make the major mods use their own Talk sections instead of competing for space in #list-of-mods. We'll be looking about giving more mods their mod talk section and moving their threads in the mod list into their own section.
Moderators - There is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes, and all the moderators are trying to do their best, but it might not be visible to the users. Whilst we've all made mistakes before (I've personally had to revoke a ban I made in mistake) I do believe we're doing our best and learn from these mistakes. @Oneye Beef does do a very important job of interacting with the community, and he helps out with policing and tech support. I joke in private that I'm the only moderator that actually does anything, but truthfully each moderator does a very important job in the community.

MegaNikiGaming

Dibs
I wrote this as I saw many flaws with the game and wanted to say my opinion.

DarkPearl

MegaNikiGaming In creative you build ships and fight them that is all, I find this game mode gets boring very fast and is overall, an unenjoyable experience

You need imagination. In creative modes, you have unlimited power, the only thing that will stop you from having fun is your imagination, Cosmoteer is about inovating, about growing, about learning with others and togueter create not just ships, we create the game in sense, if all we did was play it, why would Walt care about the community at all? Why would he ask our opnions when he could simply do it? And remenber Cosmoteer is made by a single person ever since 2011, Walt does this all on his own, we need to support him. He layed the bricks of Cosmoteer, we are what keep those bricks togueter.

Dibs

DarkPearl +1 to this.

Walt is trying to grow a community with this game, most of the issues in the last week or 2 are on us, the community, not the game or its development.

Dibs

minimurgle your probably right. I just personally don't put much stock in Intentions. Good intentions don't guarantee good outcomes

PewPew

Dibs The reality is that we can only guess the intentions of others. To ask oneself what are the intentions of others is a stalemate, one can never know for sure.

The real question to ask is: what is the best reaction to have? Do we prefer to be unfair to the most clumsy or to let a few ill-intentioned people wander as long as nothing serious happens?

From experience, the majority of people see themselves as well meaning and human psychology is constructed in such a way that they try to be consistent with that image of themselves. For this reason, the culture of crime spread by media such as rap is also socially destructive, because it reverses the process. Those who adhere to it are strongly encouraged to be consistent with the idea that they are ill-intentioned and amoral.

Moreover, it is often found that the ill-intentioned people end up destroying themselves. They have no chance in the face of people who spend their whole lives improving their environment. Because they waste their time destroying the environment of others and put themselves in untenable situations.

That's why I also prefer to assume that people are mostly well-intentioned or indifferent.

minimurgle

MegaNikiGaming

Singleplayer
Did you know that Bounty Hunter isn't planned to be the final version of single player? It's really more of a placeholder while Walt get's all the different parts and mechanics in. Going off of memory the final version should have quests, factions, resource management, trading, mining, and probably a few other things assuming my memory is working (it usually isn't)

Multiplayer
You can host a game just fine without giving people your IP. If what you want is being able to host a game select server then there isn't really an easy way to do that without your IP. Going off of memory again from chats with Walt and hosting the main server myself while Walt has his down for maintenance, the game has a specific spot it checks for the server list(Same place the game checks for updates). So to have it automatically show your server the IP would have to be added there.

Forum
The forum is a little finicky at times. The software it runs on, Flarum, is still in Beta and definitely needs work. This is one of the reasons why the search bar doesn't like to be helpful and why you can end up with negative notifications. It's also a pain to navigate through new posts without being able to hide a certain tag. We're aware of the issue with mods, the modlist category and now the modlist list are supposed to help with that but they can only do so much. We're hoping that Steam Workshop helps this out, but feel free to offer any suggestions. As for RP I tend to avoid it.

Moderators
I don't know for sure if it is but this feels like it's pointed at me. Lots of things have been lately so I hope you don't mind if I don't want to go into it.

Rivals
I'm not really sure about this one. To me at least the games focus on crew and smart ship design make the game feel unique. I've played a few games like Cosmoteer, Istrolid being one of them, and I feel like it stood out well enough.

Also what do you define as failure in this situation?

Oneye

IVIemories Yeah, well since I don't roleplay I never really see him, so good to know he's doing things.

Dibs

MegaNikiGaming that's fine. Your entitled to your opinion. You can see by the responses you have received that it has come across as short sighted and as easily interpreted as a cheap dig at the community and mods. If you have any solutions that have merit for these problems I'm sure the discussion would be more productive then the current responses to "this game is boring and will fail p.s. you all suck"