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Tactical FTL Jump Proposal - Version 2!

Walt

Tobi-wan_Kenobi will the jumper be unable to jump? Or will the jump efficiency just be diminished?

Unless there's some sort of "early jump with penalty" mechanism, the player will have to manually turn off the drive.

Tobi-wan_Kenobi Would TBs actually pull a target slower if multiple beams were locked on, since the target has much more mass now?

I think TBs only add mass for the purposes of the jump efficiency calculation.

SpaceCat

How i basically understand the new proposal is:
FTLDs will be "easier" to use. TJD will be "hard" to use.

... overall all of this seems pretty half-cooked.

FTLD will still be ballast in multiplayer - so there will still be the "non-FTL-multiplayer-ship" and the "singelplayer-FTL-ship" - granted since you do not need so many FTLDs anymore it would also be easier to built two versions of a vessel.
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TJD using the same fuel as FTLD would raise the question: how is "FTL-fuel" managed in multiplayer?
Will it simply deplete and then there is nothing you can do?
TJD using only normal reactor-power would be perfectly fine?

maybe we will have FTL in multiplayer soon?

... phew a whole lot of open ends here ...

meditating about it seems a good idea now

Tobi-wan_Kenobi

SpaceCat TJD using the same fuel as FTLD would raise the question: how is "FTL-fuel" managed in multiplayer?
Will it simply deplete and then there is nothing you can do?
TJD using only normal reactor-power would be perfectly fine?

The proposed TJD doesn't use FTL fuel. It uses power.

And does it really matter that much that FTLs aren't used in MP?

Walt

SpaceCat FTLD will still be ballast in multiplayer - so there will still be the "non-FTL-multiplayer-ship" and the "singelplayer-FTL-ship"

Yes, and I just don't see this as a big issue.

SpaceCat TJD using the same fuel as FTLD would raise the question: how is "FTL-fuel" managed in multiplayer?
Will it simply deplete and then there is nothing you can do?
TJD using only normal reactor-power would be perfectly fine?

They don't use the same fuel. FTLD uses fuel, TJD uses reactor power.

SpaceCat maybe we will have FTL in multiplayer soon?

Not in PvP. Maybe for co-op.

SpaceCat

Tobi-wan_Kenobi

Walt Long-range FTL jumps and short-range tactical jumps will be provided by two different parts (the existing FTL Drive and the new "Tactical Jump Drive") that use completely separate efficiency calculations and will (eventually) use separate resources (FTL Fuel and conventional reactor power) to power their jumps.

If TJ would use FTL-Fuel then it would maybe also be less desireable in multiplayer - and that woudl be really bad because TJ generally seems like custom made for multiplayer!

Tobi-wan_Kenobi And does it really matter that much that FTLs aren't used in MP?

as it is now it takes effort to build an FTL version of every multplayer-non-ftl ship.
yes it does matter - ftl costs credits and you do not want to carry it as ballast in multiplayer.

TJ and FTL beeing seperate systems is perfectly comprehensible BUT some use of FTL for multiplayer would make designing ships more consistent in a way we would see more of the singleplyer-ships in multiplayer (and/or vice versa).

Tobi-wan_Kenobi

SpaceCat will (eventually) use separate resources (FTL Fuel and conventional reactor power) to power their jumps.

I think its just incomplete wording. He was trying to say that for now both will use power, but later the FTL drive will use fuel.

As for parts that aren't useful in MP; I don't play MP myself, so I can't speak for how annoying it is to build different versions of ships, but I know that Walt has said that as development progresses there will likely be more parts introduced that aren't useful in MP.

I myself would have preferred a TJ implementation that utilizes FTL efficiency, but Walt knows best. I think using FTL drives for TJ efficiency would cause some development headaches.

SpaceCat

Walt I'm not personally bothered by having parts that aren't useful in multiplayer.

The FTL mechanic beeing not only a part but also a resource (fuel), i think you should care.

Multiplayer . . . . . and . . . . . Singleplayer . . . . . drifting . . . . . too . . . . . far . . . . . apart . . . . . does not feel right IMHO.

Especially thinking of Multiplayer-COOP here.

And shouldn't "fuel" be something that actually needs a container (tank, battery etc.)?
Credits beeing virtual is 100% comprehensible ofc but physical resources would need space?
(Yes i'm sooo looking forward to resource gathering/mining 😉 )

PS.: Discussing single elements of cosmooter has become very difficult because there are so much features projected for future that it is hard to imagine how the whole picture will finally look.

Tobi-wan_Kenobi

SpaceCat And shouldn't "fuel" be something that actually needs a container (tank, battery etc.)?

Yeah, he has plans for a storage room to house all different kinds of resources, including FTL fuel I believe.

I'm looking forward to resources too. It's going to change everything, especially by creating the need to make ships with different roles, since you won't want to be storing tons of junk on your main warships.

This game has so. much. potential. And I think Walt can make it happen. It's just going to take so long. So have some faith in him - maybe we'll find a MP use for FTL down the road.

Walt

SpaceCat And shouldn't "fuel" be something that actually needs a container (tank, battery etc.)?

Yes, that's the plan.

SpaceCat

Walt

When we will have FTL in MP-Coop than indeed having no FTL in PvP is hardly an issue.
When FTL will be easier to "inject" into ships (because less drives needed)
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Walt They don't use the same fuel. FTLD uses fuel, TJD uses reactor power.

it will be even less of an issue.

I think this is going into the right direction then!

Thanks for the replies making the "whole picture" a bit clearer

neoshaf

https://www.google.ca/search?q=staRWARS+THE+LAST+JEDI+RAMMING+gif&safe=strict&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA758CA758&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimyLqirPrcAhWVHjQIHSqPD1IQ_AUICigB#imgrc=Gtwy8iQI47bukM:
i think this should be possible in mp, but it results in enemy victory or a draw and if you activate that, it tells the enemy and they have time to try to dodge the ram.

Spalter

neoshaf
It depends on how the FTL Drive works. If it Accelerates the Ship to fly faster than Light it would work. But if it just Teleports the Ship it would make a hole the size of the ship that Jumped. And also Destroy that Ship.